Episode · Feb 20, 2026 · 1 hr 57 min
From 354 Pounds to Chasing 100 Miles
with Dan LaMorte
Dan LaMorte is a New York City stand-up comedian and ultrarunner who weighed 354 pounds before turning to running.
“I learn through hardships. I learn through struggle. I learn through getting kicked in the teeth.”
Summary
Dan LaMorte describes growing up in New Jersey, playing college baseball, and blowing out his elbow during his first college season. The injury ended baseball, so he put his drive into stand-up, but touring and heavy eating pushed his weight to 354 pounds. After moving to Los Angeles, two car crashes, a broken foot, and a fatty liver diagnosis pushed him to change. A hike at Runyon Canyon and daily walking helped him begin losing weight. He gave up gluten, started running, and later completed ultramarathons.
Dan tells Ken about two failed 100-mile attempts, including chest and jaw pain that led doctors to find spontaneous pneumomediastinum, an ICU stay, and rhabdomyolysis. He also recounts returning to drinking, breaking his fibula, and blacking out after a fall. The injury and his focus on running contributed to strain in his marriage, which ended shortly before his grandfather died. Time with his family helped him through the losses. Dan enters the Leadville 100 lottery, gets accepted, and plans to spend the summer training at altitude. He and Ken discuss training through setbacks, online criticism, and the support he found in the ultrarunning community.
Show notes
Dan LaMorte is a New York City stand-up comedian and ultra runner who has lived more lives by 31 than most people do in a lifetime.
He started comedy at 19 after a career-ending college baseball injury. By 23, he was one of the youngest comics ever passed at the Comedy Cellar — and weighed 354 pounds.
In this conversation, Dan opens up about growing up on the spectrum, battling addiction, blowing out his elbow, ballooning in weight, and the moment two car crashes and a fatty liver diagnosis forced him to change everything.
He shares how running replaced drugs, how obsession can be both a curse and a superpower, and what it was like to collapse at mile 60 of a 100-mile race with chest and jaw pain — later waking up in the ICU.
We also talk about relapse, divorce, grief, rebuilding after public backlash, and why he’s now moving to Leadville to chase one of the hardest races in the world.
This episode isn’t about perfect discipline. It’s about resilience, identity, and what happens when you refuse to quit — even when life keeps knocking you down.
Transcript
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Ken Rideout
Dan LaMorte.
Dan LaMorte
Hello. You got me right when I was chewing ice.
Ken Rideout
That's all right. My favorite.
Dan LaMorte
I'm stoked to be here.
Ken Rideout
My favorite autistic comedian.
Dan LaMorte
Yes. One of one of I was going to say one of the only, but that is just not statistically true anymore.
Ken Rideout
Unspers not autism. Right.
Dan LaMorte
Yes. There's a lot of them now. I'll have some people message me and they'll be like, "I started doing standup after seeing you do it. I didn't know someone like me could get up there." which is cool cuz that's how I did it was Mitch Hedberg who was never like actually diagnosed but he was the first guy I ever saw go on stage and was like whoa there's a weird guy who doesn't look at the audience looks at the ground you could kind of just do whatever you want up there so like it's cool to like have people reach out to me now years later and be like all right I was that for someone
Ken Rideout
Yeah and well by way of background we met via Instagram and this is one of the things that I actually love about Instagram and social media is it does allow me to connect with like-minded people like you. You just reached out and were like following me as a runner, which to me seems crazy cuz like I'm a I'm an idiot. Like in my opinion, I'm like, I'm just a dad hustling and grinding. And I don't know. I never think of myself as an influencer. So when I do connect with people or they reach out, I'm like I I'll say to my wife sometimes like, "Dude, look at the message this guy sent me.
It's [ __ ] awesome. like I can't even believe he knows I'm a lie, but they think that I'm like something special. And I'm like, they're going to be sorely mistaken when they meet me. But you you and I connected through running and you start you were you're an ultra runner, but you were telling me like you lost a lot of weight. And when I saw some of you posting pictures of you when you were heavy, I was like, "Holy [ __ ] this guy was huge."
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Yeah. Everything I do, I go all in on whether that's eating or not eating, you're running, not running, I go to the max on everything. And that was I definitely got pretty fat. But yeah, I like I had followed you because like I've been doing standup for 12 years now. So a good chunk of my life I'm 31 years old and uh
I just at a certain point I started to get more enamored with runners and athletes than I did comics cuz I was in it for so long and it was the path I was going down into ultra running and I'm as big of a fan as running and athletics and ultra running as anyone. So it was just natural and there was something, you know, you were from the Northeast. I I am also from the Northeast. So I there's a certain mentality of people who grow up in the cold who are kind of crazy but in a good way.
You know, I was like, "All right, I sense that in Ken." You know, I I have this weird gut feeling when I'm like there are people that I think I would be friends with and they would not in the terms of like financially or career-wise get something out of them, but like human wise, like I can maybe learn from this person or be pushed by them and and I'm very attracted to that in people.
Ken Rideout
It's funny you say that because I think that a lot of men, especially like masculine men, feel uncomfortable saying like, "Yeah, I want to be friends with that guy." And the first person I heard describe it that way was Jesse Itzler. Jesse Itzler will literally be like, "Hey, what's up, man? I want to be your friend." And uh like I feel a certain level of that too. The only thing I will say is like sometimes people they don't know how to read the room. Like you can tell right away when they reach out like you reached out.
I was like, "Hey, what's up, man?" And it was just a healthy normal exchange where sometimes I know that if I don't stop this conversation, every time I respond, there's going to be a response back. The volley won't stop. And I don't want to be rude, but I'm also like, "Brother, I tell sometimes when people are too insistent on my time, I'm like, "Dude, I I'm not trying to be rude. I have four [ __ ] kids, a a wife with cancer, 10 jobs. I'm training.
I love I love everyone. I want to be your friend, but dude, I I don't have time to text. Don't I don't I can't Don't ask me who the [ __ ] I think is going to win the fight. I don't care about that. Like, I'm You know, I'm happy if I can catch the first half before I fall asleep."
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. I almost like when people show that side of themselves to me though because then I know like nothing against them but I know it's not someone who's going to work into my life because we're just not the same because if people who live schedules where there is a high level of output on staying active, staying healthy, going towards goals, you don't have the time. My phone's on do not disturb 24/7 outside of phone calls. Anyone can reach me on a phone call, text, there's a good chance it's not getting answered.
And I think some people dislike me for that a lot. And that's fine though. You have to be like, you have to set those boundaries in life eventually, which I didn't for years. I was just like, I'm going to do everything. I'm going to accept every show. I'm going to do every gig. And that's how you, you know, you're on the road for seven years getting up to 355 lbs cuz there's nothing to eat but Taco Bell in Peoria, Illinois.
Ken Rideout
I think it's like a blessing and a curse for people that are overachievers because like you said, you want to do do awesome at everything. You want to accept everything. You don't want to say no to everything. But there is a a fine line and a science to being able to say no and recognize what is actually detracting from the goals. Because when you're trying to do too much, you're like decent at everything and shitty at and and and great at nothing and shitty at a lot of things.
And when I just focus on one thing and try to like just maintain the others, like I can get something done. Like with running, the only reason it became a priority is because my other priority was abusing drugs. And I was like, if one of these addictions has me wanting to kill myself, and the other one has me feeling like good about myself instead of my selft talk when I'm doing drugs is like, what a piece of [ __ ] you're a loser. This is this is going to end badly.
And the other one is like, I bet you I can run a little faster tomorrow. And uh that's been a big part of like my learning curve is recognizing where to allocate my time. But where did you grew up in New Jersey?
Dan LaMorte
Grew up in New Jersey, born in Brooklyn. Uh like most Jersey families, they start in Brooklyn, go to Jersey. I mean, moving on up.
Yeah. My whole town in New Jersey, I don't think there's a single person not from Brooklyn or Staten Island of sorts.
Ken Rideout
And where'd you grow up in Jersey?
Dan LaMorte
Manalapan in New Jersey. So, the Jersey Shore. Oh, yeah. Central Jersey.
Ken Rideout
That's the nice part.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah, it's pretty nice. I uh It has two parts of the town. There's Englishtown and then there's Manalapan. One side's like the less We were from Englishtown and then eventually made it to Manalapan.
But I love it, man. Like when I'm like people have this idea of New Jersey in their head. You go to my hometown, more farms than you could imagine. I'm 30 minutes from like really solid trails in every direction. It's so much more rural than people realize.
Ken Rideout
Like, well, the Jersey Shore kind of screwed the state of New Jersey in a really bad way. Cuz my wife's from New Jersey. She grew up in Tewksbury, went to Pingree. Like, she grew up on a farm. Like, when you're there, you're like, this is crazy.
We're in no man's land. We're out in the country. But people only think of like Newark and uh Jersey Shore type, but it it's not like that at all. Matter of fact, all the Jersey Shore kids were like from Staten Island and other parts of
Dan LaMorte
I know. Yes. And uh the situation actually for a very long period of time lived in my hometown and stuff and like we he would go to the same gym that I would go to and he'd have like his own private corner and he'd just be in the corner working out and I've like I've met Vinnie from the he he does stand up as well. He's the only one that I've actually spent time with but I'm like yeah this isn't Jersey. Like you don't remind me of home.
No. Exactly. But uh I I have I'm very fond of of being from there and it was perfect relation to Manhattan. I was about an hour from the city so I was able to kind of always be a comic without having to live in New York. I did at points but I was able to have that accessibility to it.
Ken Rideout
Where did you So growing up did you uh you played baseball?
Dan LaMorte
Yeah, baseball. I didn't I didn't necessarily excel at any sports. I was a very overweight kid my whole life. But my father my mom would let me quit things.
Yeah. And my dad was very against it. And then it came down to where like baseball was the only sport left. And he was like, "You can't quit this. You do need something." And he just forced me to keep doing it. And eventually I got good enough at it to go play in college. But it was very much not a fun childhood of baseball. My dad was the coach, forced me to get better. Did not play me. Everyone goes, "Oh, your dad was the coach." I hated that.
They would always play their sons. Like I have memories of going to tournaments where I was the only kid on the team who did not play cuz my dad told me I wasn't good enough. So it's like the exact opposite. You know
Ken Rideout
He's a nut.
Dan LaMorte
Yes and no. It's weird. Like he's the nicest guy you'll ever meet. It makes no I often tell him he's the only person I've ever met who is just happy 24/7. And it's like how did you walk through life unscathed?
Ken Rideout
Oh my god.
Dan LaMorte
I don't understand. I'm so jealous of people like this guy. The hardest worker. I mean he's up every single day 2 in the morning. He's owned a deli his whole life. Now he has a different business, but still gets up 2 in the morning, gets into Manhattan by 4 in the morning.
Ken Rideout
Wait, the Deli was in Manhattan.
Yeah, this guy's a hustler.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. And just hustled his whole life. And it it was a really good role model for me. And I'm very appreciative that he never let me quit baseball cuz it was good to have something that I was okay at but not good at.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
And then had someone go, "No, no, you need to work to get good at this." Cuz
See, sometimes you don't know that's possible until you're forced to do it. And then high school comes along and things start to shift which like in hindsight I had no idea how important that like junior and senior year of high school were to like my story cuz I was like I was overweight. I was very heavy and but I was getting good at pitching and the coaches were coming up to me and they're like listen you're good enough to play in college but you're fat. Like this was a different I I'm 31.
I graduated high school in 2013. You could still find scouting reports written about me online from college coaches where it says I have a thick frame that needs to fill out. Like I was getting called fat in every which angle. And I became friends with my high school volleyball coach. I didn't play volleyball. He was a weirdo. No one liked this teacher. We had just built the new weight room. And I this guy would work out every morning in the weight room. So I became buddies with him.
And I was like, "Will you let me come to the weight room before school starts so I could just work out? I need to lose weight to try to get a scholarship." And he was like, "Yeah, absolutely." and he starts letting me into the weight room every day before high school at 5:00 in the morning. So, I'm up at 4:00, I'm at high school at 5:00, I'm working out for 2 hours, then start in school, lose the weight, get a scholarship. And that's kind of what I trace back to being the first time what I call it as flipping the switch.
That's always been my mentality. And that was the first time like the switch was kind of flipped in a positive direction.
Ken Rideout
That's incredible because like to to to have a kid who's overweight say, you know what, I'm done with this. Like I'm getting up at 4 in the morning and training before school. Like I have teenagers and and like my son is 14. He's just starting to like fill out and become like have like muscles but he doesn't lift weights. And I'm like and I've heard many like sports scientists be like that's the most formidable years is like when you first hit puberty to make sure that you're setting like the genetic code that they're used to lifting weights and but it's so hard to get them to get in there.
And so the thought of someone unsolicited doing it on their own takes like incredible mental fortitude. I wonder if that's like if asberers plays any role in that like kind of obsessive mentality where you're like you can get onto a new habit and just be like I'm doing this.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah, I would say that it that has always been something that I've traced it back to is that obsessive pattern. Like when I do decide like this is what I'm going to do, there is nothing else that's going to like it's going to happen. And that's been definitely what I've always equated that to the asberers and that side of me. I've I've had the same I've been lucky enough to I I do good with routine. I've had the same therapist since I want to say I was 14 years old.
So like 17 years now. And uh she's really helped me kind of look at that and instead of looking at the obsessive side as like maybe problematic, she helps me like how could we reshape this to be a really positive thing. Look at all the things you've gotten into. Cuz it's helped with baseball. Well, it's helped with comedy more than anything. Uh, but then it's also been my, you know, one of my biggest negatives where I go all in on bad things as well. It's almost like
The dopamine once it's hit, it doesn't care that it's good or bad. I just want to keep getting it. You know,
Dan LaMorte
I went to this little school called uh Felician University. Okay. So, literally f you. It's like
Ken Rideout
And you described it as last chance you for baseball.
Dan LaMorte
Last chance you, man. Like you uh I was I had like I want to say seven scholarship offers coming out of high school. Uh I never threw that hard, but I was a really good competitor. I knew that I could beat the batter between the brain. Like I was really big on the mental side of it and tripping them out, like getting in their heads and stuff. Uh and that was like a that became like this really important component for me. But then the coaches start to come along cuz success is coming and uh then I get arrested for selling weed in high school.
It was my like most things go my it was my first four-way for how do you say it? Like my first
Ken Rideout
Four for a
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. 4a into it and first day I get arrested.
Ken Rideout
Worst drug dealer ever.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Literally we buy like it's me and two other kids. We buy the drugs we are then going to sell that night and then I get pulled over leaving the house that we buy them from and I get arrested.
Ken Rideout
So they must have been watching the drug house and see which clowns pull up and buy the drugs.
Dan LaMorte
They had to have been cuz it was so quickly, you know.
Ken Rideout
How much how much weed did you have?
Dan LaMorte
No, nothing. It was like probably wasn't even an ounce of weed looking back on it, you know, but this was different times. So they gave a distribution then. Yes. Uh but luckily one of the kids I got arrested with his dad was a cop, so it all kind of
Disappeared. But nonetheless, the coaches found out because you had to put on your like scholarship. Have you been arrested?
Yeah. Uh, and then this one school I knew the coach and he couldn't have cared less. You know, we had kids who did far worse on our team that were removed from other universities and given a chance here. So, it was kind of cool cuz it was this little division 2 baseball team, but like in the preseason, we do all our preseason games against division one teams and we'd kick the [ __ ] out of them cuz we were good. We were like
Ken Rideout
It was we were a really good team.
Where is it?
Dan LaMorte
Uh, East Rutherford, New Jersey, like 10 minutes from Giant Stadium. It's in Fairleigh. Dickinson, which is another college,
Had this campus. They said, "This campus is too old. We need a new campus." They leave and open their new campus. And then Felician goes, "Well, we'll start a college in this old campus." So, we were in a college's campus that they thought was too old in the 80s, you know.
Ken Rideout
Oh my god.
Dan LaMorte
So, you know, it doesn't take long to tell the whole story. Opening day comes, I have a very good preseason. Uh, I become the number one bullpen pitcher. So, as a freshman, I'm going to be the first guy out of the bullpen. And I'll never forget, we had a junior on the team, Gerard D Flippo. He transferred in from a division one school. And because he didn't have friends that were juniors, he hung out with all the freshman. And we were out at Applebees the week before the season started.
And he said, "The first one out of the pen," meaning the bullpen, is always the first one under the knife. And then a week later, opening day, our starter gets rocked. We're down in South Carolina. I come in out of the bullpen. second of four innings of work, I throw a change up in the dirt and my elbow explodes in a way that I've never had an injury before. I've broken bones running since. I've never had anything like this where like you just hear the ligament pop out loud and I called the catch route who was my roommate and I was like, "My elbow just broke.
It's done." He was like, "What do you mean?" I was like, "It ripped in half, but I don't want to come out. I want to stay in." So, uh, we had this powder at the time that was caffeine cut with ibuprofen. So they loaded me up on that and I stayed in for like two more innings and then my arm was just like literally dangling and it was swollen out to the side.
Ken Rideout
And what was the injury?
Dan LaMorte
I tore my eral collateral whatever the UCL is Tommy John surgery was 100% clean off the bone. I think it was within a week the Yankees doctor Dr. Ahmad was doing full elbow reconstructive surgery which it's I think a 90% success rate and I was the 10% that had a really bad surgery. Never picked up a baseball again. ever. I haven't thrown off a mountain since that day.
Ken Rideout
[ __ ]
Dan LaMorte
That was it.
Ken Rideout
It's amazing how these like small little incidents can change the course of your whole life.
Dan LaMorte
Yes. And you know why? Sorry. It was all because of one kid on the team. There was a senior on the team named Casey. And you know, there was a lot of hazing that would go on. Uh and as a freshman, you had to stand on the field for the infield outfield as the warm-up. And I was catching, you know, just for the coach. and he knew I wasn't looking and he fired a line drive at me just to mess with me and the ball hit me square in the elbow.
So like I I took a line drive off the elbow by this kid before the game. So I think I came in to pitch with my elbow already swollen and then just I mean pitching is such an unnatural motion and I started throwing a lot harder in college. Like I had a huge spike of velocity from high school to college and I just don't think my arm was able to handle it.
Ken Rideout
Man, heartbreaking.
Dan LaMorte
It was. I really thought I was going to come back from it. Uh I had dropped out of the four-year school and I went to a community college cuz in New Jersey we had this school that at that point had the number one junior college baseball team in the country, Mercer County Community College. And I liked the coach. He wanted me so I was like, I'll just go there.
And then it became pretty apparent that it wasn't good. And I had already started standup at that time because I weirdly had this wherewithal after the injury happened that I was like if I don't transfer this energy into something, life's going to be really dark. It's already going to be dark. I fully was aware that depression was coming, but I knew if I didn't at least add another factor into my life that it was going to be a really bad few years. So, I started doing standup while I still had the cast on my arm.
I had like the big robotic Tommy John cast. My dad drove me to an open mic in Kennallorth, New Jersey. I had written a bunch of
Ken Rideout
You think you could do stand up? Because to me, I can't think of anything more intimidating or nerve-wracking.
Dan LaMorte
I loved it. I was obsessed with comedy my whole life. I used to steal my dad. My dad listened to Howard Stern a lot. So, anytime I was in the car with him, there would be Artie Lange, Jackie the Jokeman. So, I knew like that stuff. Norm Macdonald. Uh, and then he would have comedy CDs and I would steal them. There was one particular Good Day to Cross the River by this comic named Greg Giraldo. Passed away many years ago and that CD changed my life.
I mean, here was this guy who was a Harvard educated lawyer who decided to become a standup and was doing it in a leather jacket and tattoos and doing this socopolitical material that was genius. And these dumb audience members had no idea how smart this guy even was. And it just seemed so cool to me. Like before big games, all my friends would be listening to rap music and stuff. I was listening to Richard Prior and Carlin. I would listen to standup while I warmed up to play baseball.
So, it just seemed like a natural progression. And I didn't fit in at I didn't have any friends as a kid, being a fat kid and stuff. So, just being the class clown was all I knew. It was the only way I could get any reaction from my peers cuz I didn't I was always described as like the old soul. I always got along with the parents better. I didn't understand kids. Uh, so being like the class clown was the one way I felt like any connection to those around me, which you learn in hindsight, those aren't real friends.
They're just laughing at you for being goofy. Yeah.
But I think I just had that built in uh that desire to want to do standup. Yeah.
So when the injury happened, I mean, when you're a college athlete, you're doing sometimes two, three workouts a day. I knew I needed something that that's that kind and upset. Uh standup in New York City when you're like trying to make it in the early years is like being a college athlete. It's a grind that is unlike anything.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. By the way, I listen to Howard Stern like obsessively. Like we when I first met my wife, we bought an apartment and I had the bathroom renovated specifically so that they could put speakers in the shower so I could listen while I got ready in the morning for work. Dude, I loved it. I was I couldn't tell you. I know every single episode all the like Richard and S prank calls when they pretend when they call the wrestling shows and Richard just starts going on about I liked it when it was Chief J.
And the guy be like, "Yeah, okay." And he's like, "And Wahoo McDaniels." He's like, "Yeah, buddy. We got it." And Coco, beware. And I'm like, "Oh my god, I could just listen to this for like
Dan LaMorte
When they called the the chess program, the a woman used to do a talk show about chess. It It's just that prank phone calls and they I mean they were the legends. They got in a prank phone call during the OJ chase. I mean, how crazy. It was a different time.
Ken Rideout
I see OJ and he looks scared."
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Like those were the videos my dad would show me when I was a kid. He'd be like, "You don't understand. They pranked OJ while it was and then he would pull it up and show it to me." Like that was always there was no filter of like what is appropriate and not appropriate for a kid, which is probably you could argue as bad as a parent,
But that definitely made the sense of humor develop.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. And I loved Artie Lange because like you could see Arty was like he literally came across like a long shoreman that they just plucked off. They're like, "Oh, this guy's really funny. He'd be a great uh co-host." And just gets on there. And then he when he started getting into the dark heroin stuff though and he would show up all whacked out. I was like damn dude how are they not like trying to get this guy help? You'd be falling asleep and then he was on the subutex and whacked out with subutex all over his lips.
And I'm like I'm pretty sure you're like close to overdosing on that. Like I took that [ __ ] The amounts that he was saying he was taking was like didn't even seem human. Like
But
Dan LaMorte
It's impressive. I mean, he has stories himself where he talks about being at a diner with Hedberg and Daldo, who are both guys that died from heroin,
And like they were trying to get Hedberg clean, and Hedberg just looked at them and was like, I'm going to die from this. Let me die. But it's crazy. I remember even Arty talking about that dinner and being like, I can't believe that I am the one of those guys that's alive now.
Ken Rideout
Yeah,
Cuz it's great cuz he was fat as well. Like,
Dan LaMorte
But he's uh I actually saw a picture of him this week for the first time in ages. It was David Tel's birthday a few days ago and Dave went out to dinner and posted a picture and Arty went out to dinner with him and like that's the first time I've seen a picture of Art in years cuz he's not doing standup anymore or anything.
Ken Rideout
He's not doing anything, right?
Dan LaMorte
Nothing. So, it was cool to see him and he looks like good. He looks like he looks healthy, you know, his nose is back to normal and stuff. So, that's pretty cool to see. But, Arty was a huge inspiration to me as a kid.
That's what I was going to ask.
Ken Rideout
Were there any other like pure standup guys that like really inspired you that you felt motivated by?
Dan LaMorte
Mitch Hedberg was the biggest one just because it was like these silly oneliners and like a very weird energy up there. Uh Giraldo, then you had guys like Norm Macdonald who were very weird. I always liked the weird stuff. Uh John Melany. Yeah, I like those guys. But I was always more intrigued by the class that came before me. Y
Cuz the weird thing is like when I started standup, I was 19 and I got lucky. Like I I I had success pretty quickly. I like I became the fastest to ever get past at the comedy seller. So before I could legally drink, I'm a regular at the seller, which ended up not being great for me at that time. But I started to then all of these people that I was going to look up to became my co-workers. So then I never got into this phase of like admiring the people that I was like I don't know if I'm a fan of any standup right now.
David tells the one guy I would pay money to sit down and watch. And Patton Oswalt, I think Patton is severely underrated.
Ken Rideout
Why do you say that that was a bad thing getting to be a regular at the seller?
Dan LaMorte
I wasn't good enough cuz like the comedy seller I still when I perform there often will have that feeling where I'm like [ __ ] I have to go up at the cell cuz like everyone there is the best comic in the world. Like no one is bad at the comedy seller. Everyone is going up there and is killing for 15 minutes. So if you don't want to follow someone who's destroying the room, it's really hard. And when you're 20 and you've been doing standup for 2 years, you know, a year and a half, yeah, you might be able to get some laughs and you might be good, but you're not a 20 year vet.
You know, there's just skills you pick up through the years that you don't even know our skills, cadences, crowd control, just you need to have hell thrown at you to even understand how to deal with hell. And when you're a young comic, you don't know hell.
Yeah. Like you don't know what bombing at like a cancer benefit in a synagogue is, but then you eventually have that and you bomb for 400 people at a cancer benefit in a synagogue and someone says, "Man, I bet you wish you had cancer tonight." And like you go through [ __ ] like that and then you that's how you become a better comic. But at 19 and 20, I didn't know how to do that. So after like it's this weird thing where social media at that point wasn't as prominent as it is even now.
Yeah. So, you could still get stuff without having like a huge following. So, I get into this and then immediately kind of puts a target on my back where no one knows who I am. And now I'm at this club. So, the older guys are like, "Who the hell is this guy?" And I just choked. I don't think I was good enough at the time. And after about 2 or 3 years, uh, the booker named Estie, she's still the booker now, this old Israeli woman, badass, scary,
Uh, she just stops using me. like out of nowhere. I go from being the youngest guy who ever got passed at the seller. Now I'm not there at all and I don't work there for I want to say almost three or four years and that ends up triggering the weight loss because
Ken Rideout
So wait wait wait go back. So you you you start doing that while you're in college and at that point you still you were when you were playing baseball you were still like fat.
Dan LaMorte
No, I was probably 190. So not bad. I got into good shape.
Ken Rideout
So maybe a little bit heavy but not fat.
Dan LaMorte
Not fat. No. No. I had gotten
Ken Rideout
Cuz I saw pictures of you where you're fat.
Dan LaMorte
Yes.
Ken Rideout
Okay. So,
Dan LaMorte
I had gotten into the best shape I'd ever been in up until that point.
Ken Rideout
So, you start doing cell you start doing stand up all the time. You're not playing any sports. There's no motivation to lift weights and you started gaining weight.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Well, because working out really became such a big thing to me and baseball was starting to not seem I don't often tell this part of my story, but uh around the freshman year of college while I'm having a successful preseason, I'm also simultaneously meeting with recruiters from the Army and the Marines because I was going to drop out of college and be I was a I got this in my head in high school that I wanted to be a Marine. I loved it. Or an Army Ranger.
I don't know why.
I love your obsession. your obsession with [ __ ] I had Marine banners, marine books. I read the book One Bullet Away. I'd watch Jar. I mean, everything you could do. I would run on a treadmill in high school to Marine Cadence like that. They would yell at boot camp. And I even told my parents like I was meeting with the recruiters behind their back and I said, "Listen, I'm going to play this one year college ball. I don't like school. I don't want to do this anymore.
I'm going to go into the military." And then I blew out the arm opening day as if life was going to be like, "No, you're not." I remember I wasn't going to I couldn't do push-ups anymore at that point. My elbow was destroyed
And it just changed the whole
So I get hurt opening day. We're down in South Carolina. We come home. Uh I find out right before the next trip that it's fully ripped. I need surgery. So I'm taken off the roster, you know. So my whole team now leaves to make the trip. I'm by myself in the dorm room. And I have this weird dark memory of going to the cafeteria and just getting a big thing of ice cream and coming back to my dorm room and sitting down and eating it. And I trace that back to just being the start of my brain being like it's okay to be fat again.
You lost baseball. And then just go I end up, you know, not just slowly. By the time I'm I start stand up at 19 and by the time I'm 23 years old, I weigh 350 lbs.
Ken Rideout
Holy [ __ ] dude. You were that heavy?
Dan LaMorte
Yes. 354 was my heaviest weight.
Ken Rideout
What was it like like just I mean cuz when you're when you're like a big big guy your whole life you it's hard to say like yeah I remember like I remember being the weight gain and what it did to my body and how I felt but like what did you feel like when all of a sudden you've got 200 extra pounds on your body?
Like when you were walking around were you like what the [ __ ] I'm so heavy.
Dan LaMorte
The walking around. Do you know what as sad as it's the getting out of the car?
Yeah. like getting out I had like a Hyundai Elantra maybe and like getting out of the Hyundai dude was so hard like uh and it was also I took it's so s I took shoelaces out of my boots. I would wear Timberland boots with no shoelaces cuz I didn't want to bend down to tie anything. And the most disgusting thing is the button of the jeans causes such damage to your midsection. Blood scars. I would get like these blisters on my stomach. I mean, it's just it's a life that it you can't bend down and it's just it it's weird.
I can't even put myself into it mentally anymore. Like it it's it's so hard for me. I want to give you like a perfect answer of what it was like, but I'm so far I'm one of these people who the second something is in the rear view window, it has to be in the rearview window. I can't go back and live in it. I don't know why. I mean, it's probably healthy to go back and break [ __ ] down. The second it's over, I need to put it behind me and just, you know, keep that momentum forward.
Ken Rideout
I admire that. I wish I could block out some of the bad memories. I'm like contemplating going to do an Iberane journey and that's I'm scared shitless. Like, I don't want to go back and think about the way things were because some of the childhood stuff was traumatic in just in the sense that I'm like, man, I hate thinking of myself as a victim. And when I think about some of the [ __ ] that happened to me, I'm like, you [ __ ] Like I don't but I don't want to wallow in that.
But I know that if you leave that [ __ ] unhealed and some of it like my wife will tease me or get angry cuz she's like, "Well, what about your third grade teacher?" And I'm like, "When I tell you and I'm not exaggerating, I can remember the name of like two teachers my entire life. I have like blocked this part of my life out." And my wife doesn't believe me. And I'm like, I swear all my life like I can remember a couple of teachers names, but that's it.
And I can't even have I don't even have a visualization of what they look like. I'm just like, "Fuck that. That was a a dark period."
Ken Rideout
Like the the real dark [ __ ] was 10 days in and I was like all right I'm sober. I'm on this Vivitrol. I'm on an opioid blocker. I'm not getting high for at least 30 days and you know I was still depressed and stuff but I was like not feeling like I'm I'm going to die. Yeah. Um, so I'm just wondering like what was the catalyst and then what did how did it feel when it started coming off and ultimately you started achieving like some physical goals.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. I I think like any big thing in life uh I think there are a few kinds of people. There are people who realize when changes need to happen quickly and they make them. And then there are some people like me who need to be smashed in the face repeatedly by life until you listen to it. And uh
Ken Rideout
Well for the record I was getting smashed in the face. I was ignoring it until it was time to get ready. And then like that day that I decided it was happening, it happened. And sounds like you decided you were losing weight and did it.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Well, I was in a bad car accident. Not like terrible, but I was in I total two cars in the span of 3 months. The first one I had spilled my coffee. I looked down. Car in front of me stopped short. I'm bent over while I hit the car. So, it's not high impact, but the way my head is, I get hit in a weird position with the airbag. So then I have to do cognitive therapy for a few months. I'm starting to feel better and then I have a bad car accident.
I'm driving home late from the comedy cellar. It was a late 2 in the morning on the Garden State Parkway and a car in front of me. Guy was so high and drunk that he parked in the exit lane, turned off the car, fell asleep in the middle of the exit lane. Mind you, the Garden State Parkway is 65 mph speed limit. There's not a lot of lights in this section. So I'm getting off the exit. By the time I see his car parked there in the exit lane, I'm going 60 mile an hour into the back of his car.
And I broke my foot. I remember having to be pulled from the car and like dragged to the side of the road. And uh I got lucky, you know, I had the broken foot, but when they take me to the hospital, that's when they do like a whole body scan and I had some pain in the abdomen, but it wasn't from the accident. That's when I get diagnosed with a fatty liver just cuz I'm very heavy. You know, it happens when you're fat.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
And I don't know what it was. It was like those two things and I'm just in a weird place mentally. So, I decide like I'm going to go to Los Anytime I'm in a weird place, I go to LA. I don't know what it is. I like LA. I like just I like having a place to disappear to for a while and stand up is fun out there and you get good work done. So, I went to LA for a week and uh my buddy goes, "Hey, let's go on a hike." I'm fat.
I'm like, "I ain't going on a freaking hike, man." And he goes, "Just come on a hike." So, this is like LA's this is almost a decade ago. So, they have dispensaries, you So, I go to a I I've never been to a dispensary. I go get some weed and I get stoned and I love the hike. He takes me to Runion Canyon. We hike like maybe half of it and I love it. I'm like, "This is amazing."
And uh the I'm staying in LA for I want to say,
Ken Rideout
By the way, it's funny that you're like, "Yeah, let's go for a hike." Okay, for us, let's get high though.
Yes. I I need I needed some dude. I was 300 lb. That's not easy to move uphill. Might as well numb out a little.
Dan LaMorte
And let me tell you, that mentality has not shifted much, unfortunately. And uh but the the apartment that I'm subleting for the few weeks that I'm there, they have a shitty little gym in the garage. So then I just start getting stoned and working out in the gym. And next thing you know, like on the few weeks I'm in LA, I lose like 30, 40, like a crazy amount. Cuz when you're very heavy, you could take off a lot of weight quickly. And I'm walking everywhere cuz I don't have a car out there and no one walks in LA.
So I'm walking to get food. I'm walking to do shows.
Ken Rideout
And how much and and what about the diet while you're doing this? Like how
Dan LaMorte
I give up gluten. That's cuz uh a doctor told me I may be allergic to gluten at this point. I've still never bought into it fully. I mean, you can I have eczema on my hands. I It flares up every time I eat gluten. I refuse to give it up fully. But those first years, I give it up completely and the weight just between that and the easy walking. And then when I get home from LA, I go buy a fat guy pair of running shoes like these bright orange AS6 that are made for heavier set dudes.
And I just start running, you know, and it it's like the, you know, any story like Goggins or something, you go a half mile and you stop and then the next day you go a mile and it just slowly builds up. And then, uh, I want to say from the initial heaviest weight, like the fatty liver diagnosis to my first ultramarathon, which was like a 40 mile race in Pennsylvania, I want to say it was two years.
Ken Rideout
Oh, okay. So, it's a reasonable amount of time. What's fatty liver? I mean, I've heard of it, but I don't know honestly what it's all about.
Dan LaMorte
My liver was fat. I don't I just
Ken Rideout
I just had like in like whatever kind of fat gathers around a liver. What's the danger? And like what's the
Dan LaMorte
I think it could like if you live your life long with it, it could become like I don't know maybe cerosis or
Ken Rideout
And you can reverse it just by losing fat.
Dan LaMorte
Yes, you could if you like stop it right then. I think as I was young too like I feel like a lot of people online they'll see my weight loss story and they'll go, "Oh, he reversed the fatty liver disease. He took off the weight. he became a runner, like I could do it too. And I'm like, yeah, anyone could do this. But the one caveat is like I was in my young 20s. I was a college athlete five, six years before that. So like I had some reservoirs to tap into.
Ken Rideout
Yeah, that's right.
Dan LaMorte
And I think like when I think of stories like Goggins, you know, and he's like everyone could do it. It's like Yeah, but you were also a Navy Seal. It's like let's also
Ken Rideout
But he was a fat before we went.
Dan LaMorte
Absolutely. But it's like let's there is also that we need to everything that gets us to where we are. We can't really like shed like we have to admit that like yeah I was able to do this probably because I come from a college athletics background.
Ken Rideout
I know but dude you're qualifying what you like all your accomplishments like almost trying to downplay like [ __ ] all that. Like what you did is incredible. Like listen I got myself into being a raging drug addict [ __ ] loser. And then I turned it around by myself. And I think that you know I can easily be like well I'm an idiot. I'm a loser. I shouldn't have been in that position. But at the end of the day, I fell I put I I sabotaged myself and found myself in a deep hole.
And at some point, I stopped digging and got out of there. And you did the same thing. You let yourself go. Got diagnosed with like fat person's disease that was totally preventable. And you were like, you know what? I'm not a loser and I'm not going to live my life like this. And like as soon as I walked in here today, I was like, damn, you look good, dude. You look like if someone if you if someone could see you right now, they'd be like, I refuse to believe this guy was 350 lbs.
Cuz you like you look like the same exact size as me. I'm like 170 lb right now.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. I'm trying to get it down to like But here's the that's why like I downplay a lot of what I've done because it's every day and life has never stopped beating me down. And I've had a lot of fuckups along the way of this weight loss journey, man. Like
Less than a year ago, I was back up to 230 lbs almost. Like I was getting pretty chubby again and I'm 180. So I I lose 180 lbs and then I still end up last year having to go through another 50 lb weight loss because I let [ __ ] slide again. I mean that's the interesting thing is like there's the big before and after picture but then there's the reality of it that it never is going to like these are choices you have to make every every single day.
And like there have been times where I have been like I corrected my behavior. I got it right like right. I I
Was always struggled with drinking from a young age. uh probably got sober for the first time when I could legally drink at 21
And then obviously fall off
Uh uh 26 27 I get actually sober, go to AA and I stay sober for 3 years up until through my wedding. I get married. I don't drink at my wedding and then uh September of 2024 I'm doing my second attempt at an 100 mile race. I've done a lot of ultras but never in a 100. The first 100 I got rabbed though. The race ran out of water pretty quickly and I wasn't prepared and it went south quick.
Ken Rideout
The race ran out of water.
Dan LaMorte
Dude, it was so bad.
Was organizing these races day. They didn't know it was going to be hotter than they expected and they let the lead pack all dump the water on them. So, by the time the midpack got there, we were having to refill our handheld bottles with the ice from the cooler that they were keeping the bacon in. So, it had like flies and [ __ ] And like it was bad. Like they the race screwed up. But I also should have been more prepared. Like it's these things where like
There's a lot of stories. You could go on YouTube and you could see a video that has a million views where someone's like, "I ran 100 miles with no training. Here's what happened." I'm the story of the guy who has done these things with training and it's gone wrong every single time. Like so like the second time comes around. I'm 30 miles into this race in Pennsylvania called the Pine Creek Ultra and my chest starts hurting bad.
Ken Rideout
When now when is this?
This is September 2024. Okay. Because I think I I think I remember this.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Because we were bodies at the time. I trained. This was the race that I objectively had put in the most work for.
And it starts to become pretty clear 30 miles in, I'm like, "This is weird. Like my chest is hurting bad."
Ken Rideout
Explain exactly when you say, and the reason I'm asking this is for people out there cuz when we get to the culmination of what what the diagnosis was. I think this stuff is important for a lot of runners cuz I interviewed my good friend and one of my business partners, Jeremy London, who's a cardiac surgeon. had a heart attack. Wow.
And he described to me what happened and I made him go into great detail because I'm like this is my biggest fear. I have genetically high cholesterol. My apo B, LP, little A, all the like biioarkers that should be low that you can't really control to a certain extent are elevated and I'm just like, oh, I know I'm going to have a heart attack eventually and I'm so scared. So I think that these kinds of stories are critically important especially for men who are into these kind of activities like cuz most of this [ __ ] unless it's like a a widowmaker heart attack and and you're just dead instantly if you can catch a lot of this stuff early you can survive most of it.
So with that said go ahead what what starts happening explain exactly what it was.
Dan LaMorte
So at it just seems like trouble breathing at first you know where you're like for the pace that I was going because I was just trying to finish the 100. I wasn't trying to break any records. So, it didn't make sense. I was low zone 2 the entire time.
Ken Rideout
And that's the key when you know your body and all of a sudden you're like, "Dude, I can't breathe." Like, you know, and I know anyone who's in shape knows when you start struggling when you shouldn't, you're like, "Yo, something's wrong. This is not
Dan LaMorte
Cuz you know with the amount of effort you're putting in, there's no way that this should be the return." And the unfortunate thing about it, right, is there's this group from California that's been making a documentary about my weight loss and running from the first Ultra. So, they've been following me for years. They come all the way out for the first ultra, end up in the hospital. They now make a second trip. They're like, "We're going to try to get it this time."
And my family, we hire, we like have a little camper, right, just for this weekend. And I pull my family into the camper and I say, "This isn't good. Like, something's up, but I want to keep going." My mom's a nurse, so she starts to get a little nervous cuz my dad had just had a device implanted. So, uh, whether it's a pacemaker or one of those, he just had a heart issue. So, there's an thought it might run in the family, but I didn't think that cuz it was just chest pain.
And then mile 40 comes and it's like jaw pain now.
Ken Rideout
Oh, red flag.
Dan LaMorte
So, that's when I'm like, okay, my jaw hurts, my chest hurts. I'm saying it feels like there's a heavy weight in the middle of my chest, like the elephant on your chest. Yep.
I'm sweating more than I should be. Uh, but I don't want to give I I end up dropping at 60 mi. So, I run from mile 30 to 60 with these pains and it gets to the point where I sit down in the camper and I'm laying back and it's just so much pressure and my chest just felt so full. I didn't know what it was. I couldn't grab my breath. So, they take me right to the ER and it's honestly all still kind of a blur.
So, b no family's allowed at that point because it's like the nighttime visiting hour. So, I'm alone in the room. Everything seems okay. And then uh next thing you know the nurse comes in and she's like we're going to go get your family. I think they should be up here with you. We found some things in the scans. I was like what? And uh so I had something called a spontaneous pneumomediastinum which is when your chest fills with air and the cavity around the heart just air leaks in there for some reason
Ken Rideout
From the lungs.
Dan LaMorte
From the uh No, that's the we don't know where it came from. So it could be from the lungs, right? It's there. When the air leaks to the left, it causes the pneumothorax which is deadly. [ __ ] lung. Mine went to the right, so it caused all of this stuff in the chest. Uh they still don't know why. There's only some suspicions as to what could have caused it, but once that they tell me this and then for some reason they then put an oxygen mask on my face, which in my head I'm like, "Wait, they're saying that I'm filled with air?
They're now jamming more air into me. They're saying and I don't know what happened, but like everything everything went white. I broke out into a sweat that I can't even describe to. My heart rate went beneath 20. It went to like 16. Like really crazy low. All the nurses come in, they call like the [ __ ] codes or whatever.
They come rushing in. I'm just going white. Like my clavicles, dude. Literally pools of sweat. Like, you know, like what they say like a heart attack sweat. I just have these pools underneath here. And my mom, who's a nurse and is like a very stoic woman, like the last image that I see is her in the corner crying, like begging me like, "Come back." And I don't know, they didn't have to paddle me or nothing. I just it slowly reversed itself. They put me in an ambulance, sent me to a trauma center, and I was in an ICU for 4 days, and then I was released.
Ken Rideout
No treatments.
Dan LaMorte
No treatments.
Ken Rideout
Holy [ __ ]
Dan LaMorte
They said the only reason they ended up keeping me in the ICU that long was cuz I ended up getting Rhabdo a second time.
Ken Rideout
And what's Rhabdo?
Dan LaMorte
Well, it's when like your muscles break down through your urine or whatever, like from all the running.
Ken Rideout
Oh, okay.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. I don't know. I don't. It's in one ear, out the other, dude. I can't I can't internalize all this [ __ ] because then I'd never run again.
Ken Rideout
Well, you know what? The one thing I will tell you earlier, you said, uh, you know, my life's been one thing after another, and I I couldn't help but to think like, you can think that, or you could also think, I'm so [ __ ] resilient, nothing can kill me. Cuz that's what I think when I look at you. I'm like, this guy's just a [ __ ] overachiever. Like, you can't kill this guy. No matter what happens, you keep coming back. And I think that, not to try to be a psychologist, but I think if you can reframe that and and not paint yourself as the villain in this or like, you know, the the guy who's can't catch a break, like [ __ ] You're like doing it, man.
You're like living your dream. You're a stand-up comic. All right. You've had some bad breaks here and there. And we'll get into the wife stuff, but like, dude, you're just rolling with the punches. And I think, like I said, if you can control that inner dialogue, you'd be better off. And I'm guilty of it, too. I always am like, "Oh, I'm a perpetual loser. Why is this happening? No matter what I do, if I make a million bucks, that guy made 20. Like, he's younger than me." I I get caught up in that.
And then I'm like, "I'm not in a [ __ ] competition with that guy." And when I look around at what I have with my wife,
I always say to her like, "Man, we have what all those rich people down the street don't have. We have enough here." Like, we have everything we need. I don't do any work out of necessity. I do it out of like desire. Like, I mean, I have to work. I'm not wealthy, but I don't I don't have to do jobs I don't want to do. You know, it's like if you're a standup and you're making good money, you don't have to take the cancer gig or the synagogue gig.
And I' I've been lucky to get to that point. But I that the reason I want to emphasize this point is because I do what you're doing and it pains me to hear it because I look at you like a success story. I'm like, "Oh, this guy, that's why I wanted to have you on." I'm like, "This guy knows how to like do hard things." And uh
Dan LaMorte
Well, I like it. I like the getting beaten down. I I think that's what life is about because why who goes through this unscathed? That's [ __ ] Like I don't
I don't care when these things happen to me and not in like a oh I'm just this is supposed to happen to me. I'm the guy this happens to. It's like no no I it's become very clear to me in my life that for one reason or another I learn through hardships. I learn through struggle. I learn through getting kicked in the teeth. And I love it cuz that for me that is how I have to learn. I need something big like that. And also like you said, I love not giving into stuff that people think you should give into like cuz you know I go to the hospital in the first 100 mile attempt.
Ken Rideout
Then you
What happened in that one?
Dan LaMorte
That was just rhabdo, you know.
Ken Rideout
So rhabdo is your muscles just start breaking down.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. It's like when the pee is like you know like Coca-Cola pee they call it. And I had also collapsed during there. I passed out. So it was really hot out. I hadn't had water. So I passed out on the trail.
Ken Rideout
So needless to say these ultras don't come natural to you, you know, like a naturally gifted ultra.
Dan LaMorte
bad. It's And it's People go, "Oh, he must not train hard." It's like, "No, no, no. I live as if I'm a professional athlete." My whole life is dedicated to this in a very crazy way. And it just still goes south sometimes.
Ken Rideout
So funny you say that, man. When people are like, "Oh, well, it must be nice to be like competitive at the races and have a chance to win." I'm like, like even today, I'm like, I just did a workout so hard. Like I literally pulled off to the side and collapsed into the grass for 30 seconds in between the reps because I'm like,
I'm so far from race shape. I'm in good shape, relatively speaking, but when you're at a certain level, you can have a big engine. I can go run a marathon easily, but I could never be close to what I've run, what I'm capable of until I put in six to 10 weeks of [ __ ] grueling, torturous training. But then the people who watch only see the win, and they're like, "Wow, that's so good." They don't see me like cursing, you know, stopping a rep because I'm like, "I'm going to drop dead at this pace.
I can't believe the coach put this these splits in here. No one could do this in my condition. But anyway, so first race 100 mile ends in Rhabdo. Second one ends in
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. still make it 60 mile. I mean, you figure I still make it 60 miles. 30 of which I thought I was having a heart attack for. So I was still like I was really bummed out cuz also the documentary people are there. They lost a lot of money. They had to fly back to California. like they didn't and there was sometimes when I listen to I take in anything ultra that I could take in and you listen to some of these guys and they go there's no pain greater than quitting y you know and I've reshaped that in my head where I go there is no motivator greater than quitting like if I didn't quit those races I'm not able to put in the days that I'm putting in now I'm putting in days that I never dreamed I would put in and I'm hurt right now and it's like I'm not even running and I'm putting in days that I that I dreamed
Of Like so it it it's all part of this this overall thing and it's this we have this weird belief in my head for one reason or another that it's going to work out.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
And that's what people I think need whether it's stupidity or not. Like I've sacrificed so much for the running goal. Arguably more than I should have as a comedian. But it's because for some reason I am convinced that on the other side of this goal I have set which was years ago I wanted to run in a 100 mile race that on the other side there's going to and maybe there's nothing there but I don't give a I want to get there and like that's why the rhabdo the ICU and then I take off months from that.
I couldn't run for months. I I was going to pulmonologist I had to wear two different heart monitors. I have an enlarged right ventricle. Like I I have athletes heart. I have, you know, I hear the things they say maybe you had blebs on your lungs from smoking weed and they exploded. Then I went to a hippie doctor who said, "Don't you ever listen to that. Cannabis has done no wrong." That's the doctors I like. And then I take off probably three or four months.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Dan LaMorte
This is where comes the es and the flows. I'd been sober for years.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
I went through my wedding sober for years. Now I have these heart issues.
I have an international tour coming up. my uh my you know former partner whatever I don't know legally what you call it soon to be ex-wife we were doing this international tour and none of
Ken Rideout
She's a comic too.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. None of the doctors were able to tell me like 100% you're going to be safe on the plane. They were kind of just like go for it but we don't know what's going on with your lungs and chest.
Yeah. And the addict in me, man, the second that plane was in the air, I use that as justification to be like, well, I might die up here. My lungs might explode. Might as well go down with some Jack Daniels. So then on the plane to Europe when I've been sober for years, I start drinking again.
Ken Rideout
And was your wife, your ex-wife, she's there with you?
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Yeah, she was.
Ken Rideout
She knows you're sober.
Dan LaMorte
She was stoked.
Ken Rideout
Oh, cuz she's a drinker.
Dan LaMorte
Not really.
A big drinker, but she drinks. She drank and like I think she was excited to have me back on that team,
You know? Like I I definitely cuz I'm not a bad I'm a fun drug. That's the problem. Like I don't make it look bad. That's why I don't do it. It's easy for me. And that trip like it should have been a red flag to me on that trip that I had taken years off and everyone goes, "Man, that first drink back is going to mess you up." Nothing. I was back to having 12 drinks. Like it was nothing. I could go on stage with six whisies in me, have six beers after in the green room.
I like that life. Yeah,
I like the rockar. Unfortunately, I could buy into that so quickly. So then I get I tell her, you know, when I get back from Europe, it doesn't count if it's in Europe.
Ken Rideout
Yeah,
Dan LaMorte
Of course I drink when I get back from Europe, you know. So then
I'm not running. I start drinking again on this down time. I go up to 220 something pounds again. And then I I go, "Fuck, what am I doing?" Yeah.
So I start training again, you know, and I'm I'm starting to do pretty good.
Ken Rideout
How hard was it to get back into training at 225?
Dan LaMorte
terrible. It felt like I had the piano on my back again. It felt like those early runs and that's when you're like, man, like
You could make four years of progress and then do four months of reversing the progress and you will feel that almost more than those four years of progress. Yep.
And it starts to become really prominent in my head. And then I I start training really hard and I'm like, I got to reverse this. And I sign up for my favorite race that I do every year called the Hyner View 50K. It's one of the best ultramarathons in the country. It's out in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania has something called the triple crown of mountain ultras. Hyner View 50k, World's End 100K, Eastern States 100. They all suck. They're all rugged mountains. You're not getting runnable miles. And I love Hyner.
So I I'm like I'm going to go do Hyner. And
Ken Rideout
How many how many like let's say in a 10 mile segment, how much of it's runnable versus not runnable?
Dan LaMorte
Hyner in a 10 mile segment you'll get more runnable. Hyner has like two really big climbs. the Hyner Mountain and then Son of a [ __ ] which is at the end. Uh but there's some sections you could kind of go fast on. World's End 100K which I'm also doing again this year. That's maybe you'll get 10 miles over the 100k that's runnable. Everything else is like pretty rudy and rocky.
But like the I love that those kind of because it like evens out the playing field. I love being in nature. So, I go do Hyner again and I I thought I trained pretty well all things considering, you know, and I do it and it's the first one back since the heart thing. And I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] I I I survived. It was hotter than I expected." So, I didn't get to push as hard as I want. So, the next week I go right back out to training because I'm like, "You know what?
I'm back." And I go back to the trails and I had just run a 50k, but I'm like, "Let me throw down hard today. I'm feeling good." So I'm running like you know hard for me is like on technical trails a 73 8 minute pace which on technical trails is moving pretty fast.
Ken Rideout
That's fast.
Dan LaMorte
So I'm bombing down a switchback going fast and just catch the wrong rock. This is after two hospital visit. I catch the wrong rock and break my fibula. This is last April.
So a week after Hyner I work myself back from the heart thing. I go out training. I break my fibula.
You have had some bad luck. Yeah. Oh, it gets it. I break the fibula. I come home. I go, maybe it's just a sprain. Whatever. I go the next day. Did you lose face plants when you tripped?
No. So, that's where they put me in a boot.
Ken Rideout
No. When you tripped on the trail, did you land on like Do you went down? Did you fall on your face or anything?
Dan LaMorte
No, I'm pretty good at falling now. Yeah. Yeah. Jersey and pencil. Dude, I know how to fall. I know how to fall with the arm up right over one eye so you don't catch anything. I know how to angle away from I usually keep my phone in the handheld bottle. I know how to tuck the phone. I've broken like three phones on the trails,
But I think Oh, I don't The face is good.
Ken Rideout
So, they put me in a boot.
Dan LaMorte
They tell me, "Just your fibula's it broke where it connects the ankle." They're like, "You're not going to need surgery." Yeah.
Just [ __ ] relax. So, my wife goes, "I'm going out to do shows tonight. Just relax. Don't do anything." I say, "Yeah, sure." So, she leaves. I take the boot and the crutches and I walk, you know, quarter mile to the dispensary. I get a joint. I just light the joint. I'm walking home. I've been a stoner for half my life, dude. It's just, it's like water to me. It's nothing. It is what it is. And uh I'm getting closer to the apartment. I'm in the boot and the crutches and I'm like, "Something ain't right.
I just know something ain't right." That's the last thought that I have. And then I go in the elevator, collapse unconscious, smash my face off the metal railing of the elevator. I get 10 stitches in my eye. I lose consciousness.
So that's bleeding like crazy when you don't. And I lose conscious. I don't I don't remember any. This whole day is gone. I wake up the next morning in my mother-in-law's basement cuz I couldn't go back to the apartment. She had like a walk-in and I'm just I'm like, "What's happening?" Like it was one of those like in I wake up in a different house. Wait, how did you get to the basement?
I go to They take me to the hospital. My My mother-in-law at that lives uh I was living in Jersey City at the time. As you could tell from my verbiage, I'm going through a divorce. Uh at this point, I'm living in my apartment with my wife. And I guess in the when I come to I call my wife and I tell her something happened. She calls her mom. Her mom comes over, calls the ambulance. The ambulance comes to the apartment. I don't have any recollection.
Ken Rideout
You don't remember any of this?
Dan LaMorte
I was like uh what is that? 50 First Dates 10 the movie with 10-second Tom I'm doing that apparently the EMT guy he looked like my buddy that's an ultr runner that I run with and I kept going I know you we run together and the guy was like no no no we don't and I did that for like oh I was just asking the same three questions I was saying are you a runner I was asking how the dog was like I just kept asking the same stuff they take me to the hospital I had a traumatic head injury you know got the stitches in the eye but I don't remember any of the hospital.
I all I remember is coming to the next day because uh my parents didn't want to leave me alone cuz my mom's a nurse, very protective. So, my mother-in-law had a big house in Jersey City, so we just all stayed there. So, you figure my last memory is stepping outside to smoke a joint. I wake up the next morning in my mother-in-law's basement, surrounded by my parents and my mother-in-law, and I'm just like,
Ken Rideout
"This is so great."
Dan LaMorte
I'm like, "What what did I smoke?" Like, this this sucks.
Ken Rideout
This has to be part of your uh standup routine. I've never talked about it, but I should. And uh
Dan LaMorte
Yeah, and that was that was it. That was like a really I would say that event, if I had to trace it, like if I'm being if I'm being an accountable man, that is probably the event that led to my divorce.
Ken Rideout
Really?
Dan LaMorte
Because I think that is when my wife really cuz she is not a runner. She did not understand this component of me. This was a part of me before we met.
Yeah. And I think she saw me go to the hospital twice and now I'm, you know, my face was in really bad shape. I had stitches in my eyes. I'm in a bed for the third hospital visit now. I just I don't think any part of her saw that as being like this is a healthy behavior for him, which rightfully so. How could you look at for for some reason I look at all this happening and I tell myself these are not signs to stop. These are signs that what I'm doing is incredibly worth it because look how hard the chase is.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
Look at this chase. Look at how grueling it's been. There's no way this isn't worth it.
If I give into this now, who am I?
Why did I go through all this? You know, I need to see this [ __ ] through.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
And I just think she knew that there was not going to be a world where I stopped training. And because there wasn't, dude, from that after the broken fibula.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
I don't go I'm not a P I don't I'm not a PT guy, you I if you were to see my car parked in front of the studio, you'd think I'm like a a PT on the lamb. It's just filled with slant boards, foam roller, I mean massage guns, normate boots. I got everything in here.
Ken Rideout
I know what you mean.
Dan LaMorte
So, I I rehab the fibula myself.
And to the point where like not only over the last few months do I come back from the fibula injury, and I'm I just turned 31 this week, so it's the oldest I've obviously ever been. I come back in the last few months. I PR my 5K, my 10K, my half marathon, my marathon, and my 50k. I'm putting in 70 and 80 mile weeks regularly. Jesus, I'm lifting now. I I'm doing at least 100 to 200 push-ups a day. I just come back from that with such
I don't know what it did. It was like that snapped something into me. That being said, my wife never communicated that. I mean, she communicated that she didn't agree with the running.
Dan LaMorte
So like my wife leaves me a few weeks later my grandfather dies and the first big death I've had in my life. I was I've been very lucky to have all of my grandparents alive. All of my grandparents, still alive, very close with all of them. Okay.
My grandfather specifically was
He was the guy, you know, like he was
There wasn't a single person in his life who in the last few weeks of his life did not fly in to see him. He was that kind of guy. Every single person in his life that was still alive flew in, whether it was from Colorado, Florida, and they came in to see him. Yeah.
Because he was that guy. He was the nicest guy in the world. And that's when again it's I think guys like us, we're all mentality. And this is when I start to see right like weight loss being nonlinear and having to always keep working and going through hard things. You know, my wife leaves me and that is objectively the most challenging thing. I didn't see it coming. I had no idea. This was my best friend. We worked together. We toured together. We hung out.
Ken Rideout
I saw your social media. It seemed like you guys were like best buddies.
Dan LaMorte
Best buddy. You know, you go to the family group chat. She's the one sending texts to my parents. Look what we're doing. Like I never never in a million years if you told me your wife's leaving you tomorrow, I would have laughed in your face.
It was one of those situations where she just came to me and said, "Hey, it's over."
Ken Rideout
Of all the things that you've described like all the setbacks, just knowing how much like heartbreak can hurt. To me, that's the most difficult part of it because the rest of it you're like, "Okay, I broke my leg. Like, I'll fix it." But having to deal with something that's out of your control that's so emotionally painful. That's why when I called you, you're like, I don't know if it's a good time to talk about hard things. My wife just left me. I was like, no, this is probably the best time not to talk about your relationship, but just to talk about like, hey, this sucks.
And and when I'm talking to friends that have gone through this, I'm like, listen, the one thing you have to just keep telling yourself is no one's going to die from a broken heart. That alone won't kill you. You, but you have to like take the steps to heal yourself. And to me, nothing's better than moving and getting out and running and lifting weights and it the worst thing to do is sit around and think about it and especially in your like what you just described where it's out of the clear blue everything you think things are good.
I mean obviously they weren't for her but like
You you didn't see anything coming. who would just like
Dan LaMorte
I knew there were problems, right? Like hindsight is off. I knew there were issues. But here's the thing. My wife
Very very well-known, you know, like millions of followers, big fan base, like the kind of person who I'm not even saying it in a braggadocious way because it's not about me, but like when we would go to the airport out to dinner, there's pictures, there's people stopping us. It's that kind of life, you know, where she is this kind of big persona. Yeah.
So, it's hard to like know what issues were our issues and what issues were comedy issues cuz we're not living a normal life.
Ken Rideout
That's right.
Dan LaMorte
You know, so she goes through this situation uh over a year ago where she has a video of her on stage go viral in the wrong way. Like she goes she gets essentially cancelled by like people who are saying she's very they don't like her. They don't like that she yelled at this heckler and it changes the course of our life.
Ken Rideout
Oh, she got into it with a heckler? I didn't I didn't see.
Dan LaMorte
Yes. Yes. And then she puts the video online and it goes in a negative way for her.
Ken Rideout
Oh, so she thinks that people are going to be like, "Yeah, good for you, Natalie." And they're like, "You're a piece of shit." Like
Dan LaMorte
Precisely, but in a level that I've never seen. Like I don't
I wouldn't even be able to communicate to you what that was like. Like it we go to bed at night and I go, "Don't worry, babe. This is going to be nothing." We wake up the next morning, she has three missed calls from TMZ. And that's when I'm like, ah, this isn't gonna be nothing. You know, it it gets to the point like this sounds like a scene in a movie. It gets to the point where we're doing shows in another country. We're in the back of an Uber on the way to the airport and she's on her phone, you know, on social media.
And I'm not a big I like to just sit and I'm like I'm a big raw dogger on planes. I like doing nothing and just sitting there. I'm fine. I got nothing between the [ __ ] ears, dude. I So I'm just sitting in Uber and I start panicking because I hear what the radio's playing. This is another country. We're in the back of the Uber and they are saying my wife's name by name talking about what she did on stage and how unfunny they found her.
And I'm trying to like look at the Uber driver like [ __ ] lower that [ __ ] But then she eventually hears it.
Ken Rideout
What did she say? I I I didn't see.
Dan LaMorte
She just screamed at a guy. That was it. She just lost her cool.
Ken Rideout
But like nothing like anti-semitic or racist or
Dan LaMorte
No. No. What happened is someone took the clip and put it on X. So, it was fine on Instagram and Facebook, but they put it on X. And X is more of
Ken Rideout
You'll have less of the left-leaning
Dan LaMorte
Support, and you'll have more of the angry conservative voice who just inherently, what I've learned through being in show business is those kinds of men will have certain opinions on women just based off them being a woman, that women will not be as funny or something. So, you have that group of men now amplifying the video. And I mean, dude, she gets canceled on like a mask. Like, this is millions of people. We have to cancel shows because of death threats. We need to the first show we do back.
We need to have a guy with death threats.
It's just the way social media is now.
But I mean, she must have said some people must scream at the guy and the people didn't like it.
That's crazy.
Ken Rideout
Then what would be you want me to be death threats?
Dan LaMorte
Why you think she was in the wrong like she should have been she should have done a better job. She was literally just getting cancelled because they thought she did a bad job on stage.
Oh my god. It wasn't like they were like, "Man, I can't believe it wasn't like a Kramer meltdown where she says the end." Like she it's just she's going they are so angry at the lack of humor in it.
But what happens now is like nobody knows what it's like to go through that. I don't know what it's like. I know what it's like to be the partner of someone and how scary it is to see them completely change. You know what it does. If you don't remove yourself from the phone and you go more into the phone when everyone on the phone is literally telling you to go kill yourself or something like that,
It it's going to mess you up. And I have the wherewithal to know this. I don't think she did. And she just kept consuming every article about her, reading every comment, watching every video. And I just think that, you know, she was able to convince herself that maybe I was the problem at by the end of it. But like I I think if she was to really track it down, that event was a really big catalyst to other issues in our relationship. And then the running was just a thing she really didn't agree with and didn't understand it.
And then that was just used as like the the jumping off point.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
But to be fair, man, it's like there are some moments where I'm angry, you know, specifically because of how quickly my life changed. You know, I I lost my home. We had a dog. You know, she had the dog for a year before me. So obvious
Everything changed immediately.
So there's some anger there. But when I look back at it like I lived my dream my whole life I wanted to be an internationally touring stand-up comedian. And how cool that I did this with someone I was married to. We made thousands and thousands of people laugh. We would go on stage together at the end of show. So, we'd each do our own set and then we'd go on stage together at the end and we'd just improvise on the spot together and we had this beautiful chemistry and it worked.
And we sold out shows in Australia, in Madrid, in Milan. Dude, we you name it, we performed there. We've performed in Copenhagen. We've performed in Amsterdam, Roderdam, everywhere.
Ken Rideout
Jesus. And you guys were the headliners?
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Yeah. We were like, we had a really hot moment for a second, you know, we had a big Live Nation tour out there. So, when people go, "Are you angry?" And it's like maybe, but it's like I lived a dream for 3 years. I feel like for 3 years I was a rock star. And yeah, it sucks that it all ended. But how cool. I lived a dream. And like this was my best friend. She was my best friend before we dated. It's hard for me to say anything negative about her.
I just think,
You know, some people if they don't work on what's going on up there, it's easy to make those around them enemies. For me, you know, when I when I spend 2, three hours a day out on the trails,
You can't lie to yourself out there.
Ken Rideout
That's for sure.
Dan LaMorte
Right. I mean, you even if there's something in your life that's bothering you, when you bring it out to the run, you're like, "Fuck, I'm wrong."
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
I did something wrong here. Like, you could really look at yourself and be like, so runners, I think, have more wherewithal to to look inside. Some maybe some are out there delusional, but I know me, I'm very reflective in nature.
Ken Rideout
Well, a couple of things. First, it it is funny that you say about X. When someone leaves a shitty comment for me on Instagram, my first reaction is always like, "Dude, bring this [ __ ] to X." Like, this is if you don't like you came to my page, looked at my content, and decided like, "I suck." Or like, "Ah, this guy's an idiot." Whatever it is. I'm like, "That's exactly what I would expect on X." Like, that's the kind of feedback you get on X.
Instagram is typically like your followers tend to be people who support you and like, you know, if they don't like it, their way of protesting is to say nothing. That sucked. Oh, look. It only got a 100 likes. They must think it's [ __ ] or, you know, or wow, a lot of people like that. But, you know, I try not to get caught up in that [ __ ] But the other thing I'll say is when I reflect on everything that's happened in my life, good, bad, the things that I thought at the time might be great, weren't always that great.
And the things that I thought were the worst thing that could ever happen, like you get fired, a relationship ends. A lot of times they say that the things that don't kill you will only make you stronger. And when you're going through it, I'm sure that's the last [ __ ] thing you want to hear right now.
Dan LaMorte
But
Ken Rideout
Hypothetically in 3 years, 2 years, next year, you could be like, I met someone even better and now I have three kids and six dogs, whatever it is that you want. And it's like, yeah, it's hard to imagine that now, but I promise you, people like you that are that know how to pick themselves up and take accountability and be responsible for themselves, always figure it out. And that's if there's any like if there's any consolation, it's like who knows, maybe you're setting up for something even better than what you had.
Dan LaMorte
I agree. And then even in the interim, right? So, like I move out of the apartment and then within So, I have uh she tells me all of this is happening right before I have a gig in Chicago. So, I fly to Chicago. You know how crazy that I mean, I literally do this on the way to the airport. I can't.
So, I'm in the back of an Uber on the way to And I'm like
Ken Rideout
On the phone.
Dan LaMorte
No, no, in person in the apartment and I'm shocked, but I'm the kind of guy who like I love Ubers. I never understand people who go, "Oh, the Uber driver talked to me." The second I land in Chicago and I'm in the back of that Uber, I'm a very big gut feeling person. Yeah. I can know pretty quickly if this is a good person or not. And this woman, I could just tell she had some [ __ ] trauma in her that she wanted to come out.
So, she's like, "How are you doing?" I'm like, "Honestly, miss, my wife left me this morning. I'm getting divorced. I'm supposed to do a show tonight. I have no idea how I am." And what this leads to 45 minutes of maybe the best heartto-heart I've ever had in an Uber. woman, she's telling me how she's selling her house because it's time to take a trip. She lost her son. Like really moving [ __ ] And uh I don't know, there was something about like that immediacy of it where I was like, man, I kind of love just that connection, you know?
So, but Chicago was really tough. But I end up putting in some good runs, you know, as it happens and when these things uh and then I get back from Chicago and it becomes pretty clear that it's fully happening. But I have to go to LA. I'm supposed to headline the comedy store for the first time. Oh man.
And my she was coming, my parents were coming. It was a whole big trip. So now I'm out in LA with just my parents alone
Ken Rideout
And she canled.
Dan LaMorte
She my wife doesn't come. No. No. So I'm out there by myself. Uh which is on you instantly.
Yeah. Yeah. That was the problem is like she flipped the switch like how I flipped the switch. She like she went she went out cold. That was actually weirdly perfect timing but bad timing cuz I was supposed to be I was in peak training week for an 100k that ended up getting cancelled. It was in Virginia. It snows four inches and they cancel it. I was already in Virginia.
Ken Rideout
I remember. I remember.
Dan LaMorte
Oh, dude. I was so mad because I was really like 70 80 mile weeks. I was doing everything I was supposed to. But that week in LA like I'm still paying for cuz the Virginia 100k was flat and that was perfect for me cuz I'm coming back from the broken fibula. I was training all flat just to be safe.
I get out to LA. It's my peak week. They I love Runyon Canyon. I love Griffith Park. I put in 82 miles and I climb like 11,000 ft. Yeah.
And I'm a good climber, but when you're going from a flat block to now here's 80 miles with 11,000. I
I'm still recovering from injuries from that. I've had to take some down. Like I peaked too aggressively. It was so fun to like climb that week, but that was like the divorce getting the worst of me there. Like I pushed too hard. I couldn't feel anything.
And now I've had to really tone it down. Yeah,
But that LA trip was really a mind [ __ ] And then I come home from that and that's when I get the call like, "Hey, Pop's not doing well."
So I go visit him and
You know I I I come from a very glass half full family,
But I'm a realist. Yeah.
To the point. And I visit him in the hospital and he's 90. He was 90. He was about to turn 95.
Ken Rideout
Brother, you know what a good run that is? 95 years old.
Dan LaMorte
And a great run. I mean, you know, 10 grandchildren, almost 10 great grandchildren, a loving family. But I noticed pretty quickly. I'm like, he's going to die. Whether it's next year guys tend to do
Just the breathing though, you know, he was like pretty strong. But like I was like, all right. So, because of the divorce,
I'm now in this really interesting place where he lives 15 minutes at this point. I'm staying at my parents. He lives 15 minutes from there. I spend the last month of my grandfather's life with him.
I'm there almost every day. talk to you. He's like
Talking. Yeah. Yeah. Changing his diapers, you know, talking. I mean, he pulls me aside one day and and he just he goes, "Listen, I love you. It's it for me." He goes, "I I need you to know that. I am going to die, but I love you. Uh, you know, I'll look over you." Stuff like he knew. It was very moving stuff.
Ken Rideout
Wow.
Dan LaMorte
And I want to say that it was like
I don't know. It it it made everything okay, weirdly about the divorce. Like it was hard to get too upset about that cuz I saw like I saw what the people who are really there for those who love them, what they really do in those situations. And I saw it with him and how everyone came out for him. And
I had I had no malice anymore towards the divorce cuz I was like, I got to spend a month with this guy who was the coolest guy that I ever knew. Like he was just
He was everything you want in a man. He was loving. He was strong. When we were kids, he he was that kind of guy. He would rip the phone book in half with his hands. He was he was a a bedsty police officer. He was a great baseball player. That's how we why we all play baseball. He tried out for the Yankees, hit a home run off Lefty Gomez. It was like his claim to fame.
Ken Rideout
I have assigned baseball from Lefty Gomez. Yes.
Dan LaMorte
No [ __ ]
Ken Rideout
Yeah. My wife's uncle before he died, he gave me a baseball. It was Lefty Gomez. I'm not a huge baseball guy. And I'm like, I want to do lefty, you know. And then I Google lefty go. Oh, that's cool. But it literally is like a a ball they must have been using in practice and it's signed like scribbled on there. Lefty Gomez.
Dan LaMorte
That was his claim to fame. hit a home run off him in a try out for the Yankees. He played for the Air Force baseball team. Just a great guy. And it I was so lucky, right? Because like I said, he was such a special man that all of the relatives that live far away, they come in and they're not coming in for a day or two. My aunts are coming in for 2 weeks. My cousins are coming in for 3 weeks.
So, I'm going through the hardest time of my life
And I am just surrounded by all of my family and they all know what I'm going through. You know, I knew pretty quickly
That to get through something this big, you need to tell those around you, you can't just hide it.
So, I opened up to my cousin and like
They saved me, man. Like, not that I was thinking of doing anything stupid, but if it wasn't if I didn't have that love around me, like it it rewrote the whole script. And then I'm such a big believer of forward momentum that I always told myself that if I wanted to do an 100 again, it would have to be a small local one. I I'm not I don't I can't go to these big races. And I just say, "Fuck it, dude." And I throw my name in for Leadville, thinking nothing of it.
It's the only one of the big ones you don't need a qualification for. You could just put in a story about yourself.
Ken Rideout
Oh, really?
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Yeah. They ask for like, "Do you have an interesting story that got you to the star?"
Ken Rideout
Well, there's coming one.
Yeah. Oh, I was thinking about doing it.
Dan LaMorte
You should.
Ken Rideout
You should jump in there. I' It's on my list of things to do. It's just like I just don't know how you how I would even go about training for it cuz the altitude is so high. Yeah,
It's so high and you need to be there for at least a week or probably realistically two weeks to really acclimate.
So maybe going out there for the two weeks like prior and like renting a house in Leadville.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Well,
But it's funny. I have a bunch of people like, I want to do a crew for you and I'm like, can you just do this solo? Do I need a crew? Like
Yeah. I don't know. Part of me is like I don't want to inconvenience everyone else. Like I'll just go there and try to do it.
Dan LaMorte
People have said that they've done it that way and they succeed at Leadville doing it themselves. They I've I've heard that it's almost some people find it beneficial because Leadville has become so commercialized that there's like thousands and thousands of crew members that some people end up losing time at the aid stations cuz they don't know where the hell their crew is.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
But anyway, I throw my name in for Leadville. I put the little story. I want to say I think nothing of it, but they DM me on Instagram being like, "Hey, we're big fans. Cool to see that you're in the lottery. Good luck." So, I'm like, "I interesting." You know, and uh so my grandfather ends up passing and we do the the funeral and uh some family comes in and my grandmother's side I don't know that much. They they live in, you know, different places and talking to them and uh they're like, "What do you do?" I'm like, "I'm a runner." They go, "Oh, our son's a mountain biker." They're like, "We actually live out in Colorado.
He's he's thinking of doing this big mountain bike race this year. We grew up around it." I was like, "What race?" They're like, "It's called the Leadville 100." I was like, "You know Leadville?" They're like, "Oh, we have a cabin in Twin Lakes, which is one of the most famous aid stations. They've been cooking steak for the runners for years." So this family that I have never met before,
They have a cabin in Twin Lakes. So I'm like, "Is this not a sign?" So then the next week I get into Leadville. Uh I find out that I got in to run it and like this situation where I just said screw it. I'm driving down to Tennessee to hang out with Ken. I go, you know what? I lost a lot of money in the divorce and I lost a lot of my work because we toured together. So like all of our dates were together until April and because she has a bigger following, she got them all.
So like I'm not doing great. Okay. But I have enough of a saved up that I was like I start looking for places in Leadville and I find a summer house, a two-bedroom in Leadville and I go, "Fuck it, dude." So I signed the contract. I'm going to live in Leadville for like a little over two months this summer.
Ken Rideout
Oh, you're going to be two. It's right before the race though, right?
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. I'm going out there in June and the race is the end of August.
Ken Rideout
Oh, damn. Maybe I'll go there and train with you for a few weeks.
Dan LaMorte
World's End. I'm going to recover for one week after World's End and then I'm going to drive from New Jersey to Colorado. I'm going to do a 10 city tour along the way and I'm just going to stay out there and spend a few months out in the mountains. You know,
Ken Rideout
Already a silver lining.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. And it's like, am I happy that this is the way the year is starting? Like, yeah, weirdly I am happy that I get to do Leadville and it sucks that divorce is what like put this path forward, but there's no world where I just tell my wife I'm moving to Leadville for 2 months. you know, this population 30,000 town.
Ken Rideout
You may actually meet someone in the running community that like not only is supportive, but is there doing the races with you?
Dan LaMorte
Yeah, I I do think that my ideal partner probably would be more in touch with nature just cuz
The way standup has gone lately. Uh
I'm not someone who cares about money. I don't care about fame. I don't care about social media. And that's all that comedy is now. How much can you make on this brand deal? How big is your following? How many times a week are you posting?
Ken Rideout
I can't stand it.
Dan LaMorte
I hate it. I'm not a vapid guy. I don't know if I've done enough mushrooms to get rid of that ego a little bit, but I don't have the same ego that other standups do have, which I wish I did because I don't have that shark in me to just eat everyone around me alive. That shark comes out on the trails and running, you know? So, I think my ideal partner is probably a runner because as as fun as it was to work with another comedian, I don't think you and your wife should share the job.
Maybe maybe share the the hobby.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
But it that being said, it worked when we did it. It just ended up not.
Ken Rideout
Well, it worked until it didn't. Where when you're racing, like what do you what is your fuel of choice on those ultras long runs?
Dan LaMorte
Hatred.
No, I I'm an old school guy. I love cliff blocks.
Ken Rideout
Oh, really?
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Love them to death. Uh, my stomach handles them easy and I love untapped maple syrup gels.
My stomach could handle the the maple syrup better than the gels. I'm a big Tailwind guy.
Ken Rideout
Have you ever tried ketones?
Dan LaMorte
No, I've been on them a little bit recently hearing David Ro speak about them.
Yeah,
Ken Rideout
Um, but you were saying about the the comedy scene. Now, the one thing that I have like I I like standup comedy. You know, I love Dave Chappelle. He's hilarious. I was lucky enough to meet him a couple times in the green room when he did the show with Rogan, my friend Ben Anderson, who's like a war correspondent for Vice. He's buddies with Chappelle. So, we went in the back, met him there, and it was uh super surreal. I think Dave Chappelle is like the gold standard.
That guy is I mean, everything he says is funny
When he does the impersonations and his skits like when he had the Chappelle show is just is like he can't get he can't do anything wrong in my opinion. He's so good. But have you done uh like been involved ever with the Austin crew like Kill Tony, Tony Hitch, Cliff, and all those guys?
Dan LaMorte
Not too much. Uh, I know the only time me and Rogan have ever had any communication was he saw me make a joke about running a 55 milei race on mushrooms and he liked it and followed me and like maybe sent a little but we never talked further than that which I was always like man if there's one I was like I am like I'm like if Goggins was doing standup and not winning races you know I'm like I'm like I'd be perfect for his audience but no I don't know the Austin crew that well I've spent like I've gotten to spend some time around Chappelle when he's in the city and it's just interesting to be around.
He's like a very I like I'm fascinated by people's whose energy is like that magnetic, you know? That's why I've always found myself more
I become friends with musicians way more than comics because there's something about that frontman energy that I love. But Chappelle's one of the few comics who has that.
Ken Rideout
Oh yeah.
Dan LaMorte
But now I'm thinking maybe more of like maybe I'll go to Austin, spend some time there. Maybe if I like Colorado because comedy's in a weird place now where as long as you live
Close enough to an airport
Could live wherever. I mean Baretti lives in Nashville, you know, it's like as long as as if you have the road work, you can make it work from wherever. You don't need to live in New York or LA anymore.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. No, I like I like what those guys do and I like the community that they've built down there around Rogan's Club. I know Joe really well. He's a he's a super nice guy and he support I love the fact that he supports everyone. Like if he likes you and has you on, it's like puts you on the map.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. That's how I found out about Courtney, which Courtney is like my favorite ultrarunner of all time. I mean, I don't think there's someone who inspires me more than her. And like I knew her because Joe put her on years ago.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
And then from that, you could just take in everything that she's done.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. And uh you'd also like uh Cam Haynes. Have you met Cam?
Dan LaMorte
I have not met Cam. You know, again, same thing. were like circles that are close to each other like uh uh that that dude Killian who not Joure the Killian Cor who just won all the 200s last year. He was just I know Killian really
Because his buddy is my coach. Uh he coaches with Joe Corsion at the Everyday Ultra podcast.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Dan LaMorte
And Joe, I mean
He is my coach, but it's only because he's the only one who could deal with me. Like I don't follow the plan unfortunately. But yeah, the so Killian was just out with Cam and I see that I'm like I want to that's why I don't do many comedy podcasts anymore. I'd actually rather do more of the running and fitness space just cuz I have more fun with those kinds of people. I like being out in nature and running. And the amount of like just from social media buddies that I've made through this when I announced I was doing Leadville like the offers that I had for like help like a former Leadville champion from 2023 offered to train with me.
You know Don Reichol who's a professional runner out in Colorado was like I'd love to pace you if you'd have me. And it's like yeah come I would love to have a professional run. Like that's what I love about the ultr running community. You say I'm going for a goal.
Everyone goes how could I help you get there? In comedy, you say, "I'm going for a goal." They go, "How can we get up before he does?"
Ken Rideout
How can we sabotage him?
Dan LaMorte
Exactly. In Ultra, there's no sabotage. That's why I love having the two lives because it makes the comedy life okay to me cuz it makes me feel icky.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Well, road road running is very similar. Like we were talking earlier about Truid Haynes announces he's going to try to go for um Olympic marathon qualifier and like the hatred that he got. I'm like, "Dude, you're a grown man. Like if you don't think he can do it, either say nothing or or if you're not going to offer support, say nothing. Why? Yeah, of course on the surface it doesn't look like he can do it. Like no one looks like they can do something until they do it.
But I'd argue that he also hasn't spent a full year training just on running. He gets like take he gets sidetracked I've noticed with like these side quests of like running these off the last man standing. and he's racing all the time and I'm like I'm friendly with him but I was like I want to just be his coach and be like dude one goal we need one year that this is the A race and every other race is only going to be supportive of getting to this point.
Do I think he can do it? If if you asked me to make a bet I'd say look if I if I had to lose money I would probably say no but my heart is like yes he can do it and I want him to prove me wrong. It's just taking, you know, 15 minutes off your time or whatever it is when you're already running 229.
But if there is someone that can do it, I think it's him. I think he probably has to lose some weight. And that's hard when you're a guy who has muscles and now you're like, I'm going to go from like whatever he is 175 to like 135, which I think for that kind of time, I think he needs to lose like a fair amount of weight just from a physiological standpoint. But I would
Dan LaMorte
Just love hating.
Ken Rideout
It's crazy. And they especially love to hate him. I don't know if it's because he's a handsome guy. He's got muscle. His wife is beautiful. He's getting success. He's got brand deals.
So the road running community just like comes out in droves to like hate this guy. And then, you know, they want to accuse him of doping and all this [ __ ] And I was like saying to you earlier like if you show up to a race like if you think someone's doping, you can just test them at the race. And then if you have suspicion, you can just test them around the clock. Like it's crazy to like make accusations that are unfounded, especially at this level.
Dan LaMorte
Also, you're mad at this guy who's deciding to dedicate his life to a good goal.
Ken Rideout
Yes.
Dan LaMorte
You're mad at a guy who's like, "Yeah, I'm going to try to run faster. Oh, screw you." Like, come on.
Ken Rideout
I hope you fail.
Dan LaMorte
The things like when when I would read some of the things people would say to me on Instagram and I got to a point where I just can't read any comments. It's not what the hell am I gonna No. I've never read anything been like that made the day a little better. Yeah. Never. But the thing some people have confidence in saying online like even if their face is on their profile, it's like are you are you for real right now? Like what's what's happened in your life?
Ken Rideout
You're preaching to the choir. I always think that. But the only thing I can tell you is that when they have their own picture there and they say something really really ignorant. I love to take a screenshot and be like, "Look at this guy. Imagine what's going on in his life. He must be having a bad day. Hope he finds some happiness." I used to roast people back, but then I forget that they're not comics and I would just say awful things and sometimes my followers are not following me for awful things and they'd be like, "Why are you saying this to this woman?" I'd be like, "I don't know.
I'm sorry. I like that's not who I am."
I couldn't think of a worse person to get into a like verbal joust with on on in the comment section than a comic. It's like you just can't win cuz they're like,
Dan LaMorte
"No, and you're not going to bother us." Well, some of us some comics are incredibly thin skinned, but like I don't know, man. I when I started getting stage time in New York, I had to get it by selling tickets in Time Square.
So, it's like that life hardens you especially when you're not someone who likes talking like to strangers and then you just have to ask them to buy $40 of tickets.
Like that [ __ ] hardens you, you know?
So, it's like what is your online comment going to do that a random German tourist and yell at me in Time Square?
Ken Rideout
So funny, man.
Dan LaMorte
But I hate when it's like a guy like Trudeau who's doing something. But it's I I think it's because and as someone who used to be very heavy, like you get you get really like insecure when people do things that challenge yourself.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
Like I even it's been in my head. I don't know why. On the drive up yesterday, I stopped somewhere in Virginia or something and I get uh like a half gallon of Smart Water and the woman at the front, she goes, "We're running a deal on that. It's like 150 for an extra for like gallon." I was like, "Oh yeah, I'll go grab that. I love I drink so much water. And I bring it back and she's just like, I don't know how you do that.
I've never drank that much water in my entire life. She's like, when I have like this much, I get a pain in my side. And like I looked at her and in my eye and like it sounds [ __ ] up, but the first thought I had in my head was like, I can't believe I used to be fatter than this woman. Like this woman is telling me that the water I'm about to drink over the next 5 hours, she hasn't consumed in her entire life.
And she thinks that it's the thing causing the pain. And it's like, no, that you the water is probably the only healthy thing you've introduced to your system. That's why you're hurting.
Your body is like, "What the hell? This is not soda." But I see like someone like her probably sees a guy like Truit and hates that because when I was like her, I hated the guy buying the water. I hated the guy running, you know? So, it's like I understand every side of it. Like I had a guy leave a comment recently because uh a lot of times
I'm trying to post like some more videos running. like if I have ideas while I'm out there, I'll just think. And I
He had left the comment where he was like, "Why do you put videos up when you're running and talking?"
He was like, "Do you think you're better than other people cuz you could do that?" He's like, "Just do it behind a desk like a normal person."
Ken Rideout
Can you do me a favor and unfollow me, dude, and not comment? Like, I'm sorry that I offended you. It's like that Ricky J skit where it's like the equivalent of going down to like the town square and being like, "Oh, what's this? Oh, guitar lessons. Guitar lessons. I don't want [ __ ] GUITAR LESSONS. HOW DARE YOU? And you're like, like that guy's like, imagine having enough time to scroll through, first of all, to even scroll through social media. Like sometimes I do it and I'm like, oh, I feel so guilty.
I could be doing something else. But you get caught up. Okay, but you get caught up and now you're like, I don't want to see what's next. I'm so triggered by this guy. Instead of getting something that I like, let me focus on thing I don't like and take the time to write up a comment to me like, you suck. you think you're better than me for making social media. Like, if you think that, then I probably am. Like, if you if your takeaway is like, "You suck or or someone leaves a shitty comment or a weird comment and I'm like, you watched this like
Uh uh you know, emotional post that I just put up and your takeaway was like, why am I wearing uh a particular shoe?" Like, that's a weird not even I'm not even [ __ ] on him. I'm just like, that's a weird takeaway from this.
It is. that's what you took from this.
Dan LaMorte
And then when I hear something like that, I had like when he was like, "Do you think you're better than everyone else?" I was like, "Absolutely not." Because I have been everybody else. Like that's kind of the point of this.
But mirroring what you said, I was like, "If you are the kind of person who sees a video of someone running, gets so upset that you send him a message, well then yes, objectively I am better than you." That's right.
Like you are the person I'm better than. No one else but you. I am. Like, and that's and comments like that. Yeah, just you. It's just this one specific guy. And it's also like, you're following a stand-up comedian who runs ultras. Why were you looking for normal? This was the wrong spot. I'm clearly unhinged to a certain level.
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
You know,
It's funny cuz like Truit, the dad, his dad, Cam, and I've done Cam's show, and the reason I asked you about him is because I think you'd get along really well with him, but he like pe I don't I'm assuming people know this, but dude, that guy can run. Like we we ran like 14 miles up a mountain. Like when I say up a mountain, I'm talking like bear crawling some sections. Like it was hairy. I don't normally run like that that kind of like technical stuff.
But then when we came down out of the mountains at like 10 miles to 14 miles to end at the um University of Oregon, we were legging it. I mean, we were running like six flats. And I'm like, listen, I I don't need to impress. I If you want to see if you can run faster than me, that's what races are for. I never go to training trying to outun anyone, but I also I'm a realist. I know like I I can run fast when I'm training and and not everyone can do that.
So when someone He's 57 years old. We I was working. I was like I He is He's a [ __ ] good runner. He can run.
Dan LaMorte
Oh, I mean when he posts videos of himself training, he has what I would describe to be mountain legs. Yes.
Like there's runner's legs and then there's mountain legs. He has like those veiny mountain legs.
Ken Rideout
He's a little bit heavier than me. He's strong. He can bench press like 225 like six or seven times. I mean, that's that's strong. And uh to be able to run like that, he's just uh and he's a really nice guy, but my god, some of the hateful comments he gets. Holy [ __ ]
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. And it's like Goggins the same way. But like that's triggered like forth. It's become like the stereotypical thing, right? To go back when I was in that hospital for the second ICU stint. I'll never forget it, man. The doctor comes in like this is the heart s the guy who does heart surgeries at the freaking hospital. Then he comes in and he goes, "Huh? Ultramarathon?" Yeah. He goes, "Well, looks like you're not David Goggins, huh?" And I was like, "For a [ __ ] doctor to say it." Also, yes, I'm not David.
Like, I know that.
Ken Rideout
Can you see my name on that chart, you [ __ ]
Dan LaMorte
I'm Dan LaMorte. I've been a comedian since I'm 19. Yeah, I'm softer than him. I'm aware. Like,
Ken Rideout
He's been injured, too.
Dan LaMorte
I know. It's this and that that saying has never left my head because it's just been like no I'm not him. I don't want to be him. Why why is that even coming up while you're taking care of me in a hospital?
Ken Rideout
[ __ ] weirdo.
Dan LaMorte
But yeah, like you you you're the level of fast though that I was so bummed that I've been taking about two weeks off right now for some right foot issues and you sent me the workout you were going to do today, yesterday, and I was like, man, there's not even a world where I could do this right now. Like I I got a [ __ ] foot and I there's no way with a good foot I'm keeping up with this pace.
Ken Rideout
Well, for the record, I be I failed badly. I put it on uh I put everything on Strava, but I was just like, listen, you don't have to hit every workout to run fast in a race, but you have to show up for all of them. And and believe me, when I was struggling, so the workout was two miles at like half marathon pace, like 530 pace. So, two straight warm up, four miles, two miles hard three minute uh recovery jog, then a mile at like 10k pace.
Like 515 per mile pace. And even I'm looking at that and that would be my that would be a workout I could do when I'm in race shape. But by the last mile, which should have been like 515, like if it was under 6 minutes, I would be shocked. And I just suffered. But I also knew that there's only one way to get to where I want to go and it this work has to be done. So if I abandon this workout, well then it's like I'm not going to come back and do it again tomorrow.
It's like you get one shot to get this work for cuz at some point you abandon the pace and you focus on the perceived effort and just get your body used to that 21 2 one of like hard super hard hard super hard for and and and you condition your body to do that. And that's the key for anyone that's listening and that cares. When you're training for certainly for marathons, the workout performance matters less than the consistency of continuing to show up and doing the work every single day that it's prescribed in all like you said, you don't follow it exactly and you don't have to.
This is like a road map, but if we tells you to like go this way today, you're still getting to the same place. Sometimes you just have to make adjustments, especially when you're an adult and you have like life going on. But the workouts have to get done and the like recovery has to happen. And my coach is Mario Freoli, who's like the best coach in the world as far as I'm concerned. He hosts the Morning Shakeout podcast. Shout out to Mario. But
He knows I'm going to like run way too much, meaning I'm not going to do any recovery. I'm going to run 10 miles minimum a day.
Dan LaMorte
You're who I got that from, the 10 a day. I mean, I noticed real changes in my running and my physical ability when I changed to just 10 miles a It's amazing.
Ken Rideout
Like when I started running fast, I got down to a 233 marathon without a coach. I was just running 10 miles a day. And then when I had a race coming up for 10 weeks, I would add in a 20 plus mile run. And I would treat that run as a progression run. Meaning I'd start out at like, you know, and it's all relative if you're add in your own times, but I'd start at like a 7 minute pace and I'd be finishing under six minute miles at 20 miles in.
And that's when I was like, "Okay, I'm ready to go do a race." Cuz remember I ran the entire marathon in 539 per mile for 26 miles. So to be able to maintain I was it sounds crazy to say when you're not in that shape but
You just get into this discomfort zone and you stay there and it's like every step
Dan LaMorte
That aspect I understand like the discom uh I probably just comes from being fat my whole like speed was never anything that I had but like even when I
My PRs when they've happened they've never been intentional it's just when I'm really hurting and I'm like let's see so like right I PR my half marathon maybe two and a half weeks ago.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Dan LaMorte
Cuz my right foot was killing me
And I took a few days off
And then it started to feel okay and I have this weird thing. It's the worst tendency that I have when I am hurt. I decide to then go out and do the hardest run I could possibly do to see how hurt I am.
Ken Rideout
That's right.
And I know that feeling.
Dan LaMorte
I was limping and I went out to the trail and I for me it was fast. I ran a 140 half marathon, which was my PR. I had no intention of doing it. I was in pants and a sweatshirt. Just went for it. Uh I was going to just do an easy 10 mile run. And then this douche comes flying next to me. And he does that thing where like you if you're running fast, just run fast. You don't have to go keep it up. You're doing great.
You're only saying that cuz you're moving faster than me. So then that's all I need to hear to be like half marathon PR. That's funny.
And then that led to just weeks of limping. So that's when like I actually reflip the entire script and uh I bought a new notebook and I was like every single thing you do is going in this notebook. Every workout, everything you eat, everything you do during the day and if it doesn't move the needle closer to the finish line of Leadville, you need to seriously look at it. And I've gone when I tell you I've gone insane with recovery the last few weeks, I read online, I've I've limited it down to it's either the peroneal tendinitis or a stress fracture.
So, I'm going with peroneal tendinitis.
And I read online deadlifts, squats, uh, weighted calf raises.
Ken Rideout
Do you have in Do you have the insoles in your shoe with the arch support?
Dan LaMorte
No.
Ken Rideout
Oh, dude, that's what you need.
Dan LaMorte
I don't like them.
Ken Rideout
Have you ever tried the Currex insoles?
Dan LaMorte
No,
Ken Rideout
Dude. It was a game changer. I had the
Dan LaMorte
I've seen you on those.
Ken Rideout
I had the worst case of Achilles tendinitis. And by the way, the best partnerships are ones that are like I was I was a customer of this brand for like seven years and I've been running with them no [ __ ] for every day for eight years. I'd never take them out of my shoes.
And I got the high arch support because I had Achilles I had um plantar fasciitis so bad like words can't describe it. It was a weird feeling.
It [ __ ] it feels like your heels are broken.
Every time you step on it's it's like stepping on a raw nerve. And I put these soles in and they're not it's not instant and it takes a few literally a few months of doing the the calf lowering on a um lowering on a 12count. So you're only getting the like I guess eccentric weighted thing and then you just raise up quickly and then slowly raised yourself down on a calf raise position. And I put those insoles in and I'm telling you it went away eventually and never came back.
Dan LaMorte
The algorithm knows when I'm hurt. So it it will show me every ad for plantar fasciitis and I have seen you with these insults on my on my Facebook.
Ken Rideout
You have to try them. Remind me. Remind me and I'll give you some. Like I'll get I haven't tried that yet. I'll get them to you.
Dan LaMorte
I've just been going if you tell me if I read online and I read something that says deadlifting and weighted calf raises. Like this is an exaggeration. If I read that that will make it go away, I go, "Roger that." All right. So, like I haven't deadlifted since I was a college athlete.
I've deadlifted I want to say in the last two weeks maybe eight times. I've done four times a week each week. I've got my deadlift up a little over 225 now, which I'm happy. I haven't done it since college, you know.
Uh squatting again, calf raises, man. I put one of those Olympic 25 lb plates on the floor, so it's a little thicker. That's right. And I just grabbed dumb. I'm tell I'm doing 10 sets of like 40 reps on calf a I'm doing like 400 calf raises a day. I've just been nuts. And it's I've noticed like it's starting to feel better because like when you're in your 20s, you could kind of get away with being like, "Yeah, I'm just going to do the running and stuff, but like I've noticed with enough injuries built up, it's like, "No, no, I really need to strengthen this whole thing." And it's kind of been so fun.
Like it it makes the injury almost okay. Like I used to get so depressed when I'd get hurt. And now I'm amped up. Like every morning I'm waking up and it feels a little better. It feels like I just completed like a really hard training run cuz it's like I did the goal. I got the foot a little better. And I think that mindset like runners like are get so upset when they get hurt, especially ultra runners. It's like just flip the mindset and say you're going to become an ultra healer, you know, do some weird [ __ ] like that and just become obsessed with that.
And uh so like the last few weeks has been that and it's been so cool because
The physical differences I see in my body from lifting again. And like I forget how cool it is to have muscles. Runners don't give a [ __ ] But I'm like, "Oh, I'm looking in the mirror again. I'm excited. I'm like, "Oh, this is awesome, man." Like the and it's been it's been so cool like to just to keep the journal, to keep the notebook, to have Leadville on the books and like to have this all going on simultaneously when I am going through like the hardest time of my life, which should be has been such a beautiful thing to have because it helps keep my head straight.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Well, remember the biggest flex in life is showing up. If you're having other people be like, "Damn, you're in good shape." Nothing is like a bigger compliment than it than someone having that reaction. I've done some speaking gigs and the guy's like, "Jesus, you really are in good shape." And I'm like, "Dude, you know how happy you just made me."
And like I said, when I walked in, I'm like, "Damn, you look great." But what I have found is when you have lower leg injuries, Achilles tendonitis, plantar fasciitis, calf problems, it I think it stems 90% of the time from like weakness in the calf. The calf, think about the size of the muscle. And when you're running 70 80 miles a week, that's a lot of load on that smalish muscle. So, I don't know. That's been my um that's been my theory. Anyway,
Dan LaMorte
I agree with you. I have pretty tight calves. Uh when the doctor uh or when the internet was like, "Yeah, calves usually lead to that." I got so offended because it's the only part of my body that is a gigantic muscle. Like I the only big muscle I have is my And it's only cuz I used to be fat. Everyone's like, "How do you get legs like that? Is it from running?" I'm like, "Yeah, something like that." wear a 200lb backpack.
Yeah. Yeah. Get really into Wendy's for a decade, you know, and it's the best training you could have. But when I read that, I was like, "Oh, no way." But I I am starting to believe it's it's either that or when I broke the fibula and I decided to rehab that from myself. I think it changed the gate a little bit. Yeah.
But uh I also I'm longer on the right side than the left. My right leg's longer, so it makes sense that that's the side that always has issues.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Well, I'm super proud of you. I'm proud to be your friend. Our friend Mishka speaks so highly of you. Mishka helped me write my book, my book Mishka Shouali. And I know when he saw I think he saw us interact in the comments on Instagram and he's like, "Dude, you know Dan and I was like he's my buddy." And he's like, "He's like one of my closest friends." So, uh,
Dan LaMorte
Uh, one of my
The the one thing I'm so thankful for in life of being a comic is I feel like I've gotten like this Forest Gump type thing where I could kind of just gallivant through life and pick up weird friendships with like people in different areas.
Ken Rideout
It's a good description.
Dan LaMorte
That's kind of he's one of those early friends like I liked his music a lot. I really liked his writing and then we just vibed like he's he's a really cool dude and I was so thrilled when he told me that you guys were teaming up to work together cuz it's just
Ken Rideout
You know to the outside like maybe some people don't know but like who he is or but when when you are aware who Mishk is and who you are I'm like this is the perfect like this is going to lead to a really special book. someone could look at Mishka from the outside looking in. He's very eclectic, super liberal, super um artsy, you know? He almost like, it's funny, he almost like
Enjoys painting this picture of like the struggling artist. Like we would have a Zoom call and I'd be like, "Dude, your your [ __ ] background, your room is a mess. How are you living like that? Like you're an adult man." So then he started putting filters on in the back. He's like, "Oh, I knew you were going to see my room and go crazy."
That's so funny. But we couldn't be on paper more opposite.
But we got along so well. Like we've like he's gone through like some [ __ ] when you know personally when he's like, "Oh, this is happening." And and when I've gone through stuff, he he's just like the perfect sounding board. And
Dan LaMorte
He's because he is the ultimate uh person to to be miserable with. Not that he's a miserable guy, but if you are in a bad mood, he is 100% willing to hear you. and he often gives like pretty solid advice.
He's well he's incredibly intelligent.
Ken Rideout
He teaches art writing classes
Dan LaMorte
at the guys got away. He'll send me texts sometimes where I'm like I forgot how good of a writer he like I remember one time when I was going through a hard time he was just like listen the price of admission for being human is pain and I was like damn Mishka man I needed that.
Ken Rideout
The other thing about him is he takes feedback and criticism really well. So, like when we would be working on the book, we'd send over a chapter or something and then and then the editors would come back and he would respond and like be like, "Okay guys, I'm driving. I'm going to need 24 hours to do this and do that." And I'd call him be like, "Dude, why even tell them that 24 hours? No one's going to check with you. Just don't you don't have to tell them.
Just turn it in in 24 hours." I'm like, "When you do that, it's like, guys, you're getting in the way of my [ __ ] Like, I'm I'm out hunting." Like, no one cares. They don't need to know you're hunting. Just tell them like, "I'll get to it. Give me 24 hours." And he would always be like, "You're right." But he would overcommunicate and like,
You know, tell them like, "Yeah, I'm busy doing personal stuff." Like I'm like, "They don't need to know it's personal. Just say I'll get to it."
Dan LaMorte
But he would take that cuz I do the same thing. I'll tell anyone anything. And I forget that humans aren't like that. I'll be like, "Oh yeah, I'll get back to the I was there's this I'm like slowly trying to get into the brand space of things. I was very against it for a while. Like just as a comedian,
I didn't see a need
To take money from companies cuz I didn't want it to get in the way of my standup. But now it's starting to come into the running side of things. So I'm like willing to hear it more.
And there was this one company that I had a meeting with and it went really well. And then we were exchanging emails and I fell out of contact because, you know, my wife left me, my grandfather died, you know, these and they're like, "Hey Dan, where have you been?" And I just emailed them back. I'm like, "Listen, I'm going to get you the pitch next week. My grandfather died, my wife left me. It's just been a busy week." And then like I thought nothing of it.
And then I get this long email back. Oh my god, we're so sorry. And I'm like, "Oh, I just I was just letting them know why it is that way, you know?"
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Well, I'm going to have Mishka um back on the show. He interviewed me just so people know. Great.
And then I'm going to interview him and then we're going to talk about um we're going to record a we're going to I'm going to interview him cuz he's got a crazy story. He's got his book, you know, the long run. And uh he's got a crazy story about his addiction and some of the craziness he got up to. But then we're going to do an episode that literally is like a companion for the book where it's like, hey, if you're listening to the book, we're going to like talk.
It should have been in the audio book, but for whatever reason, we just didn't get the timing didn't work out to be able to do it. but we're going to record a companion and talk about the process of like collabing on the book and he was he was excellent. He like really shephered me through. I couldn't have done it without him honestly. It's it's
Writing a book is not easy. So to have someone like that kind of steering the ship and steering the conversation and taking you know feedback and offering opinions and thoughts it was incredible. So I really hope that everyone's enjoys it. It's the book now is the other side of hard everything you want on the other side of hard. It's my memoir. Uh Mishka Shouali edited it and we uh we really worked closely on it. It's available now everywhere you buy books. I'm going to be doing book events in um Nashville, New York, and LA for sure.
Maybe Boston depending on the demand, but I hope that everyone gets it and enjoys it. I like can't wait to sign as many as I want. People always like, "Will you sign the book?" I'm like, "Sign the book? Like, I'll hand deliver it to you. I can't believe you're even interested." you know, I can be very self-deprecating, but I'm I'm excited to share it with everyone. And um, man, thanks for driving down here, dude. I'm like so appreciative of you. And I, like I said, I'm so proud of everything that you've done.
I really uh have a soft spot for you. When I see your in your pictures from the hospital, I'm like, "Oh, what happened to this poor bastard?" Now, I'm like, but I'm not kidding. I'm like going to I'm contemplating getting involved in Leadville and uh even if I don't run, I may have to come out there and uh watch you and help you.
Dan LaMorte
Yeah, I got an extra bedroom you could crash in my tiny Leadville house.
Ken Rideout
Oh, dude, we get some epic content out there. It would be funny if nothing else.
Dan LaMorte
Absolutely. And it's beautiful. I mean, just surrounded by 14,000 ft mountains. I can't think of anything better.
Ken Rideout
I love Leadville. You drive through there, I think, when you go into Aspen from Denver. I've driven through there a few times. But anyway, thank you, Dan LaMorte. People People find you on Instagram. Are you on Strava?
Dan LaMorte
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Strava Instagram. There's a good chance the heart rate's hidden on Strava because I'm stoned for most of the runs. So, you're not going to get all the data, but you could see the blueprints of how I do what I do.
Ken Rideout
I get a lot of [ __ ] from people. They're like, you know, follow me on Strava. And I said sincerely from the bottom of my heart, I never scroll through Strava because then I start getting caught up in like worrying about what other people are doing.
And I'm like, dude, I don't want the distraction. I appreciate people following along for those interested, but uh I have to add you now and uh we definitely will get some runs in together when you are helping.
Dan LaMorte
I'll be speedy when you're doing the tour in New York. I'll be I'll be good for that.
Ken Rideout
Excellent. Well, thanks again, Dan. Thanks for everyone for being with us. Do me a favor. As the kids say, smash the subscribe button. I don't even care if you like it. Just subscribe, please. Helps us a lot. And uh I appreciate you, Dan. Thanks, everyone. Please follow Dan on Instagram. He's funny as hell. And uh we'll see you next week. Boom. All right, guys. I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as I did. Please take a quick minute to subscribe to the podcast wherever you're listening.
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Key takeaways
- Extreme focus can support training and comedy, but it can also deepen addiction and make it hard to stop.
- Progress after major weight loss still depends on daily choices and can reverse when routines fall away.
- Chest pain, jaw pain, and trouble breathing during an ultra are signs to stop and get medical help.
- Sharing a painful event with family and friends can make it easier to get through it.
- A training plan is a guide, and adapting the work can matter more than hitting every target pace.
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