Episode · Aug 28, 2026 · 2 hr 7 min
International Fugitive to UFC Top 10
with Ian Heinisch
Ian Heinisch is a former UFC top 10 fighter who now works in crypto and serves as president of Bare Knuckle Ice Wars.
Summary
Ian grew up in Colorado as a standout wrestler, but substance use, alcohol and arrests soon overwhelmed his life. After leaving school, he moved to Canada illegally, worked sales jobs, and was deported. Back in Denver he became involved in drug trafficking, then fled to Europe before facing charges. In Tenerife, he says he carried cocaine through several countries, was arrested, and served about two and a half years in a Spanish prison. His trip back to Colorado included Rikers Island and an 11-day prisoner transfer.
After his release, Ian committed to mixed martial arts and climbed into the UFC top 10 while privately struggling with opioid addiction. He talks about finding sobriety through Christian faith, the health problems and concussion-like symptoms that ended his fighting career, and the difficulty of starting over without the identity of a fighter. He now works in crypto, trains athletes, and runs Bare Knuckle Ice Wars.
Show notes
Former UFC fighter Ian Heinisch sits down with Ken Rideout for one of the wildest stories ever told on The Other Side of Hard.
Ian grew up in Colorado as an elite wrestler with the talent to compete at the highest levels, but drugs, alcohol, arrests, and self-destruction quickly began overtaking his life. After leaving school and spiraling further, he moved illegally to Canada, worked door-to-door sales, was arrested and eventually deported.
Back in Denver, Ian began trafficking ecstasy before being caught in a sting operation. Facing serious charges, he fled the United States for Europe.
What followed was extraordinary.
Ian eventually landed in Tenerife, where he says he became an international cocaine mule, traveling through Colombia, Venezuela and Aruba and swallowing packages of cocaine to transport them back to Spain. He was eventually caught, sentenced to prison, and spent roughly two and a half years incarcerated in Spain before being returned to the United States.
His trip home included Rikers Island and an 11-day prisoner transport back to Colorado.
Once free, Ian committed himself to mixed martial arts. He rapidly climbed through the sport, reached the UFC and broke into the top 10 — while privately battling another devastating addiction to opioids.
Ian opens up about finding sobriety through his Christian faith, his rise through the UFC, serious health problems, concussion-like symptoms that ultimately forced him away from fighting, and the difficult process of rebuilding his identity once again.
Today, Ian is an entrepreneur, works in crypto, and serves as president of Bare Knuckle Ice Wars.
This is a conversation about addiction, prison, survival, fighting, faith, purpose, and the possibility of completely changing the direction of your life.
Transcript
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Ken Rideout
All right, today's special guest, former UFC fighter, former convict, all-around badass Ian Heinisch.
Ian Heinisch
How's it going, Ken?
Ken Rideout
Thanks for coming here, brother.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, man. Thank you.
Ken Rideout
Pleasure to meet you.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Heard your story on a few platforms and I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] this guy's lived the full life."
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. It's still going, too.
Ken Rideout
One of the things that I took from your story and listening to it, I'm like, "This guy will try anything. He has no filter. Like no buffer to say like maybe I'll get in trouble. You just seem to like that sounds like a good idea. Let's do it.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. Just uh especially in my younger years, man. I was just I just go for it, you know?
I was if we were jumping off cliffs, I was always the guy to jump first.
Ken Rideout
Yep. That's what it seems like. Where'd you grow up?
Ian Heinisch
Uh I grew up in Denver, Colorado. Well, born in Denver. Grew up in a place called Parker, just like 30 minutes southeast of Denver. [clears throat]
Ken Rideout
And what was your childhood like? Were you Were you always a good athlete?
Yeah. relative to other kids.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, definitely. Um, you know, I did gymnastics, soccer, um, football, all those things. And then, um, around the age of 13 or I think it was 11, I found wrestling.
Ken Rideout
Gymnastics to me is like the most underrated sport for kids.
Ian Heinisch
Oh, yeah. It's so good, bro. Like, if you want to have your kid get coordination and strength, put them in gymnastics, especially when they're really young.
Ken Rideout
For sure.
Ian Heinisch
For sure. Yeah.
Ken Rideout
And then wrestling, of course, there is my youngest guy does wrestling. That is, as a parent, to me that's the hardest sport in the world to watch.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Cuz there's only one way to get better at jiu-jitsu, wrestling, any combat sport, and that's to get beat up. It really
And it is very, very difficult to watch an 8 nyear-old little boy get [ __ ] bundled by another kid and like, you know, put in I don't know what it's called when they like cradle him and pin him like in two seconds. I'm like, "Oh,
Ian Heinisch
Yeah."
Ken Rideout
Cuz he's little, you know. I'm like, "Buddy, I you know, they all cry when they lose." And I'm like, "Buddy, every there's a hundred matches going on. And there's a winner and loser in everyone. We have to be comfortable learning these lessons because no one comes here and just dominates everyone. It just doesn't happen.
Ian Heinisch
Correct. Correct. My first year of wrestling I lost every single tournament.
Ken Rideout
Yep.
Ian Heinisch
And then the second year uh it was summer. Everyone kind of like takes a break in summer and I went my I told my dad I'm all in and he put me in like summer camp after like I spent my whole summer in wrestling camps. Came back the next year in one state.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. That's that's the thing though that you had the thing that no one can teach and that's a desire to want to be great and that's what I try and tell the kids like I can't make you go to more practices.
You have to want to practice more than I want you to go.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. And it's good for a kid to get mad I think when they lose. You know it shows they have that competitive spirit. You have to have that like
That thing inside you that pisses you off. Like losing pisses you off
And you're like I I'll do whatever to not lose again. And uh that's that's a good thing. You can't really teach that type of competitiveness.
Ken Rideout
And were your parents married throughout your childhood?
Ian Heinisch
No, they got divorced. Um, at that time they were married and uh they got divorced like towards the end of my high school. Yeah, we so I mean I had a pretty good I had a great childhood I would say. It's not like it's not like most kids where you grow up in the ghetto [snorts] especially with like the life that I lived. But I just had this like crazy energy, bro. Like it was just nuts. And uh you know doctors diagnosed it with ADD, ADHD, gave me a fat script aderal and uh you know I just started going down smoking weed, drinking and at a very young age like my parents partied a lot.
They had a lot of parties and so you know I dabbled and and just coming from that generational like long line of addiction like it seems like everybody on my dad's side struggles with addiction
In one way, shape or form. It's a different for everyone, but you know, I was just uh I was just going hard, bro. Like like anything you could give me like like especially at that young of age like sniffing Coke, popping X, doing Xanax, you know.
Ken Rideout
How old were you when you started when you tried Coke for the first time?
Ian Heinisch
Uh probably like 15 or 16.
Ken Rideout
All right. I think when I was maybe when I was 16, I someone had Coke and showed it to me like a little little like literally like a line of Coke and wrap rolled up in a napkin. I was like, "Holy shit." To me, it was like heroin, you know? I was like, "Are you crazy?"
And then in college, I was I couldn't get enough.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. It's crazy to think like, especially I look at a 15-year-old, I was like,
Ken Rideout
Especially a kid with ADHD. Now, I was going to take Coke.
Ian Heinisch
Oh, dude. I had the worst comedowns off that stuff. Like, I couldn't I couldn't do it without alcohol or Xanax
Ken Rideout
For years. I would be like later in my addiction, if I if people wanted to do Coke, if we didn't have Xanax, I wouldn't even try it. I'd be like, "No, I know what's going to happen. I'm going to be suicidal and I can't I always was like I don't know if jealous is the right word but always like I guess a little envious of people that could do coke all night home go to sleep and you see them like the next evening and they'd be like good to go and I'd be like dude are you ready to kill yourself?
I'm the most depressed I've ever been in my life.
I have to sleeping for like 30 minutes cuz I couldn't I could fall asleep but not stay asleep. It would dude it was horrible. I used to call it the big lie. It sounds so good. Let's do it. 10 minutes after I did the first one, I'd be like, "Oh [ __ ] this is going down." And but it's going downhill in a hurry because the next one isn't as good and they just get progressively worse until the point where I'm like, I'm just prolonging the agony.
Ian Heinisch
I know. What a nasty drug.
Ken Rideout
The worst.
Ian Heinisch
It seriously is, dude. Like, that was that was the first time I experienced that, too. I was in Colombia uh trafficking and uh the guy I'm with, he's we we're like sniffing lines and and like we have as much as we want cuz it's a buck a buck a gram down there. We got kilos. And uh and I'm doing like line after line and he's like [snorts and snoring] like falls asleep and I'm looking at him like bro how are you sleeping right now? And like I had argue I could have went to the pharmacy and stuff but dude I was like that is like those Colombians are different bro.
They can just do a little and go to sleep. It's just normal.
Ken Rideout
Oh now I'm dying to hear how you end up in Colombia. All right. So you're going through high school, you but you're playing sports, but you're also like partying like drug guy.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. So I'm I'm crushing it in wrestling, man. Just, you know, when I came into high school, it was I should have been a state champ my my freshman year. I beat the three-timer at regionals. Just embarrassed him. And his brother was a four-timer. And then I went to state, faced him again in the finals. And it was kind of like an intimidation thing he had on me. His brother was going to Air Force. He was a four-timer. He was a three-timer. and I choked at state but took second.
And then uh my sophomore year took second at Iron Man. No one's ever done that in Colorado. I think one other guy has now. And uh you know I think it was my junior year started to just get heavier and heavier into it. And uh I fell asleep on driving on the way home getting ready for a wrestling tournament the next day like two bottles of Southern Comfort in probably some Coke. fell asleep at the wheel was seeing double. Drove off the road, missed a tree in a sign by inches and that was like one of the first times like God like saved my life.
Woke up in my Mustang. It was a little bit of snow out. Wheels were spinning. My foot was still on the gas. Got out of the car and just ran home.
Ken Rideout
And this was the day before the tournament.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
And so, did you make it to the tournament?
Ian Heinisch
I did. My wrestling coach rolled up. I had mud all over my jeans. Didn't know if I was going to make weight. I guess my parents were trying to wake me up like all morning, like an hour. They called my wrestling coach. He drove down. I guess he walked in was like, "E." And I was like, "Yes, sir." Popped right up. And the bad part was I went out there and won the tournament.
Ken Rideout
So, you won the states in your junior year.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. I pinned my way through state. This was a different tour. It was a big tournament. Wasn't state, but uh
I uh I won that tournament that I was hammered. And so, like then it gave me this cocky attitude. Oh, I can party and still beat these guys. But yeah, I pinned my way through stateh sophomore year, pinned my way through state junior year, and then got expelled. my senior year.
Ken Rideout
Why did you get expelled?
Ian Heinisch
Uh so after the car accident, I was just getting progressively worse and worse and uh my parents actually sent me off to a place called Turnabout Ranch. It was like a rehab. They had transporters snatch me up in the middle of night time.
Ken Rideout
It was one of those controversial like uh hardcore like Paris Hilton joints where they like beat you into submission.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
They must have been like, "Dude, we got our hands full. This kid's a [ __ ] nut."
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. I mean, they just I respected them, they respected me. It was actually I didn't see anything wrong. Like, I'm still actually friends with some of those guys cuz they put you in a circle of rocks. They take your shoes off. You got to write like an autobiography for however it's got to be like 18 or if you're 16, it's got to be 16 page autobiography. If you try to run, they say, "Go for it. Try to run cactus, snakes, and we'll just chase you down with horses and hog tie you." And uh you sleep on a board with no pillow.
And then like after a week in the the the circle of rocks, you and you're like cooking rice. I mean, it's a detox type thing. And it's like,
Ken Rideout
Wait a minute, wait a minute. You're in a circle of rocks.
There's And where are you sleeping? Inside the circle out in the desert.
Ian Heinisch
No, you come in the cabin at night and they just give you this like board that folds open with bolts and you just sleep on that board with a sleeping bag, no pillow.
Okay.
Ken Rideout
And then uh
And what do you have clothes?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got you got some clothes,
Ken Rideout
But no shoes.
Ian Heinisch
No shoes.
Ken Rideout
All right. So then in the morning they put you back in the circle of rocks.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. And you just sit there all day for like
Ken Rideout
Like an Indian style or do you have a chair?
Ian Heinisch
I mean you No, no chair. You're just in the dirt just like walking around. You're you're trying to write your autobiography. Yeah. Do
Ken Rideout
You have a table or something?
Ian Heinisch
You got a little like tent with shade? No. You you just have a notepad like that.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
So you're just trying to get this thing done and then you graduate and then you get to sleep on a bunk bed and then
Wait a minute. After how many days is this? I think it's 5 days to a week.
Ken Rideout
And at any point are you like crying? I mean, people must cry. I mean, maybe you didn't, but
Ian Heinisch
No, I was chilling. It was It was interesting. I was just like I was just like in a fog, bro, because of how much I've been partying. And so, it was just like
Ken Rideout
But you weren't on any like super addictive. You weren't on opioids or anything yet?
Ian Heinisch
Not yet.
Ken Rideout
Okay. So, you weren't on like you weren't in physical withdrawals.
Ian Heinisch
No, I mean from the alcohol a little bit. I was drinking every day, so sweating and, you know, shaking a little bit.
Ken Rideout
You never contemplated making a run for it?
No.
When you say a circle of rocks, how high is the c the
Ian Heinisch
I mean, dude, the rocks are like this big. They're just like if you leave this circle of rocks
Ken Rideout
Oh, that's just like a marker.
Ian Heinisch
Will like basically just like tie you up and drag you back. Yeah. It's just a marker, but like
Ken Rideout
Oh, it's not like a barrier.
Ian Heinisch
No. Like, dude, you're 100 miles from the next town and you're surrounded by mountains. You're in the middle of a valley.
So, like if you try to go running, there's cactuses everywhere.
You got no shoes on. You got no shoes on, bro. And they're and they're on horseback and they're going to get you
Ken Rideout
And they're nuts.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, they're nuts. Like they're like cowboys, you know,
Ken Rideout
And they're intimidating.
Yeah. Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. Especially the first guy. Um and then and then you move to the next house up and then they give you a horse, they give you a job, you got to take care of the horse, you got to work on cars. I mean, it it was it was a good experience, right?
Ken Rideout
How long were you there?
Ian Heinisch
3 months.
And what were the other kids like there? uh all different walks of life like like uh you know there was heroin, there was like uh meth. There was kids that were just addicted to their computer like that were just like super weirdo like nerds that like tweaked out if you took their iPad or their computer. I guess they really have iPads back then. But uh it was all walks of life, man. It was like people with depression, anger issues, like it was
Scraps. Was it like a prison? No, it was just like uh No, it I mean there was some couple scraps for sure. Like uh but there was it wasn't like a prison. It was just some young kids like it it cost us some money. My mom's was a personal assistant and her boss actually paid for it cuz Oh, really?
Yeah. Yeah. Cuz they knew I was bad. So I came back from there and you know it helped for a little while. Like it really gave me a a new perspective but it didn't like there was no change in here. like I wasn't like they were pushing us to go to church and stuff, but I wasn't ready to change in here. So, so I I I jumped back in with my old buddies and just started partying again. The final straw at school was uh
Um it was just like I smelt like weed. I got into big trouble cuz I they searched my my dad's truck who's a roofer and I you know my dad owned a roofing company just two guys him and his partner and uh they found a knife in there like a big like Boeing kn but I'm like dude he's a roofing truck and they we fought it to the end and they hit me with like a big charge on that.
Ken Rideout
Why did you take the truck to school or something?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Oh so it was on school grounds. They were like you brought a weapon to school. Yeah. Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. and and they they kind of had a vendetta on me so it was like they weren't going to drop it.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
But it was stupid. Like
Ken Rideout
So they kicked you out of school?
Ian Heinisch
No, no, no, not cuz of that. But then it was like, you know, my my wrestling coach was the athletic director and just my senior year I walked in class smelt like weed. Like I just had smoked. And finally they brought me in. They're like, "Ian, you smell like weed." They're like, "You're a habitual offender."
Ken Rideout
And they just say, "Here's a drug test. We're going to see in two seconds if you're smoking weed." These drug tests that they have are so accurate on the screws. It'll tell in 1 second in a piss test.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would have failed anyway, so I was smoking weed, so I couldn't really deny it. But
Ken Rideout
Your parents were kind of partying too a little bit, but was there no one in your life that was like, "Dude, what the [ __ ] are you doing? You could be an all-American wrestler. You could be going to a division one school wrestling at Iowa." Like, what are you doing? You want to be [ __ ] cool to your friends or you want to be cool to the whole world?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. uh my wrestling my coach Tim Alman
Ken Rideout
And he but he couldn't reel it in.
Ian Heinisch
He couldn't reel it in and and it was real it was honestly that the the part that hurt the most when I got he brought me in his office. He goes Ian I've pulled so many strings for you bro. He goes you just don't help me. He's like I got you're you're expelled.
Ken Rideout
I reach for these. These stories are heartbreaking because don't you feel like even you now, if you knew a kid like this, you could be like, "Dude, do you understand how much better your life could be?"
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
You're partying a little bit now, but if you go and win the Olympics, you can be partying for the rest of your life
And be the man without all the substance. Like, you can get all the things and feelings you want. You can get through your accomplishments.
Ian Heinisch
I know. I know. That's why I have a heart for, you know, I feel like God puts you through these these trials and these life situations and and uh now like if I see a kid in that situation, I have like a compassion for him and and I like to go out of my way to, you know, and and the thing is I've noticed with kids like that, I never tell them what to do because if you tell me what to do, I would do the opposite.
I would just say, "This is where this path leads and this is where this path leads." And I promise you, I've tried both and and you're on this path. So, just let you know. And and maybe sometimes it gets through their head. But yeah, so I got expelled. I just partied all year. Um, you know, it was just cuz we had like a pool, so we were having chicks over and just like it was just it was kind of nuts. And then I started dating this younger girl, 16, Val Victorian, like super good girl, parents, loaded.
And uh I was like, I want to go to senior nationals. It's like the Super Bowl of your wrestling crew. You got to be a state champ to even qualify to go to senior nationals.
And every I told my dad, he laughed in my face. I told
Because I hadn't been training.
Ken Rideout
Oh,
Ian Heinisch
All these guys are training like consistently at school and I'm partying lolly gagging around. So everybody I told even like my old coaches, they laughed at me. And this chick, she goes, "I believe in you. I'll pay for everything."
And she's like, "We'll go out there and do it." So we she flew us out to Virginia Beach. We hopped in the hotel. Kind of a ghetto hotel. I was like kind of crazy for I was 18, she's 16 and uh we we get in this hotel room and uh right away they pound on the door b and uh this dude opens. I'm like, "What are you doing, bro?" He goes, "Oh man, I just got that coke next door if you need some." And I'm like, "Bro, no." Like I slam the door.
Ken Rideout
Who the hell is it?
Ian Heinisch
Just dude, I'm telling you, it was it was ghetto.
Ken Rideout
Oh, okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Like and she was young. I'm trying to think. It was like either I was 17, she was 16, or or she was 17 and I was 18. So like we were young. We were uh and we just went on our own. And it just shows it was kind of a ghetto hotel. We're Virginia Beach. It was spring break. Uh
So I'm getting ready to weigh in for the tournament the next day. And I'm I'm sitting in there. She falls asleep all early and I'm like, "Let me have a couple beers." I'm drinking beers. I hear next door. And of course my mind starts going. So I was like, I'm just going to go over there, get one gram, blah blah blah. So I go over there, I'm just sniffing this gram. I'm like, man, you dumbass. You got to rest till tomorrow. You got to make weight.
So I like finish. I'm just chugging beers to try to go pass out. Pass out. Wake up the next morning. So mad at myself, bro. It's just like it just shows like I was like I cannot get away from this. And uh I just remember doing sprints. I had no warm-up partner. I was like, I'm just gonna like I made weight somehow and I was like I'm just going to mentally go through this. I won my first three matches and I went against the guy who who won the whole thing.
Lost by one point and I had to wrestle eight matches back and I got fourth and everybody in front of me was already signed to D1. So I had a line full of recruiters.
I got offered a full ride scholarship to Boston University. I mean, dude, when I was it was crazy. I'd be like trying to copy off these nerd chicks and they would open the classroom door and come in. I had a handwritten letter from Yale and Cornell to come wrestle for them.
Ken Rideout
Oh, Cornell would have been a good one. They got a great team.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. And like, so I was getting all these letters. All the nerd girls were jealous and mad at me cuz I was just pissing it away.
Ken Rideout
So,
Ian Heinisch
Of course, they looked into it and they're like, "Oh, you got expelled, bro. You're not going to D1. You're going to Jo, you know." And so I then I went out and uh I went out to Northern Idaho um on a recruiting trip day one with my two best buddies, bro. And uh one person would drink, when you're done drinking, you go to sleep. When you're done uh sleeping, you drive. And we just rotated like that. And we showed up, bro. And first day picked up four charges
Ken Rideout
For what?
Ian Heinisch
We were drunk walking down the street. Uh he wrote me a a bike cop rolled up to me.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
Let me see your ID. He goes, "Oh, you're drinking underage." I ripped the ticket up, threw it in his face, walked away. Then he wrote me a littering ticket. Then I ran. Then he wrote me evading arrest. Then I spit on the cop car. He wrote me uh disturbing the peace. So I picked up four charges. My buddy had just met a girl. She co-signed to get me out. Don't worry, he's going to college here. Blah blah blah. Bailed me out the next morning. And yeah, I ended up going to the college for a little while, but it was another opportunity.
I pay for my books, my apartment, my school, and uh gave me a little money in a bank account. And I just blew through it all. I wrestled. I partied, but I didn't go to school.
Ken Rideout
So, they kicked you out of school.
Ian Heinisch
Uh, I just left. That was when my parents got divorced. So, my parents got divorced. It was 2008, 2009. Um, they had like three rentals in Denver. They sold them all to put this big new addition on their house, took out a loan for it, and then the housing market crisis hit, and they decided to divorce, and they tried to sell their house, and they couldn't even sell it as much as the loan was worth, so they lost everything. Damn.
Ken Rideout
The bank took the house.
Ian Heinisch
[ __ ]
Yeah. So my parents went back to like back to zero.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. And so where were you during that time? You went back to Denver to help them.
Ian Heinisch
Yes. Well, I was in northern Idaho and I was just like hearing all this stuff go down. My this [ __ ] neighbor we didn't like shot our dogs. Yeah, dude. He our dogs ran on us cuz our dogs they were like one was a Alaskan malamute. So like he was like part wolf, you know? So he would kill deer. So, he's chasing deer on a property and this dude just shot it. And so, like I was flipping out about that and it was just like it was just
Ken Rideout
Isn't that like it's got to be illegal to shoot someone's dog, right? Maybe if they're on your if he's on your land. What the hell? Who the You can just [ __ ] kill someone's dog. Someone killed one of my dogs. My to my wife, it' be like they killed one of our kids.
Ian Heinisch
I know. That's how it was.
So, what happened? Well, luckily my dad was out and I was going to go kill him and then uh
Ken Rideout
I believe it. People are crazy for
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. And uh you know, by the time I got back, people talk sense and like, dude, you're not it's not worth going jail for life over a dog, you know, and
And uh so we all kind of really It was just it was just a dark time. My sister was, you know, in shambles. She was still like a sophomore or something in high school. Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Well, so she's young.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. She was four years younger than me. And uh
Ken Rideout
And what was she doing? Same things you were doing.
Ian Heinisch
Uh no, she's straight edge. I mean, she's got a super highpaying job. Married uh [snorts] an oil engineer um or petroleum engineer. And she basically went the opposite way.
Ken Rideout
Oh, I thought you said she was struggling.
Ian Heinisch
No, just struggling with the divorce. Oh, I got you. It was just it was just tough time in the family. Dogs get killed, divorce, you know, lose the house, lose everything. [snorts] They're renting. Everybody's struggling with money. Yeah. Yeah. So, I came back and I was just like, man, school ain't for me. What a joke. Like, I don't even know why I tried that. And then, you know, I had the cops showing up to the house. Like, we still had the house till it was foreclosed on.
Cops are showing up running up trees and stuff. I had all these petty warrants and I'm just like, dude, I had like minor in possession, all this stupid stuff. But I was like, "No way am I doing probation and I'm not going back to jail cuz I I did 10 days because I had like throughout my high school career I had like a DUI. I had all these things and they put me on probation and I wouldn't comply." So finally I just went to the judge and I just won national term.
I brought my trophy. I said, "How much time can I do just to get this to go away?" And she said, "10 days." So I did 10 days.
Ken Rideout
Do that all day. 10 days was how much probation?
Ian Heinisch
Like two years.
Ken Rideout
Get out of here. 10 days.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. So I knew I wasn't going to comply. So, um, a girl that I was that I dated in high school, she said, "Hey, I moved out to Vancouver, Canada. You if I'll fly you out, it come be my prom date." And I was like, "Well, I ain't got nothing going on, so let's check it out." So, I flew to Seattle. She picked me up, drove me across the border, and I just fell in love with Canada. Vancouver was beautiful, bro. We're in Kalano.
Ken Rideout
One of the best places on Earth.
Ian Heinisch
It really is.
Ken Rideout
It's gorgeous. You drive up to Whistler, you're looking at orcas in the Sanan Islands. It's like crazy.
Ian Heinisch
It's nuts. So, I
Gorgeous. So, I said, uh, I basically said, I'm going to stay here. This is what I want to do. So, I started getting some odd roofing jobs. I made this funny, uh, resume with like wrestling accomplishments, like fluffed it up, and I put it on a Craigslist. And this dude text me say, "Hey, meet us downtown in this high-rise, like dress nice." So, I show up and uh, have you ever seen the movie The Boiling Room?
Ken Rideout
Boiler Room? Yeah, of course.
Ian Heinisch
The Boiler Room. Yeah.
Ken Rideout
I was a banker for 25 years. Not that kind of banker, but
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. So this it was like it was like the what's what's the main actor?
Ken Rideout
Ben Affleck.
Ian Heinisch
Ben it was like the Ben Affleck scene.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Slides the keys. He's like money won't make you happy. You see the smile on my face.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So dude, it was nuts, bro. He's like, we're going to sell like hell and like all this stuff. You're all hired. I'm going to make you filthy rich. And I was just like, dude, this is awesome.
Ken Rideout
Hold on. What do you What does he want to sell?
Ian Heinisch
So So we're selling fixed rate contracts for natural gas doortodoor. So, we're basically locking people in at a premium, but we're saying in five years, you know, you're going to save money. Yeah. It's it's peace of mind.
Ken Rideout
Assuming that gas prices don't go down.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. But you show them like long-term charts and you're like, "Gas never goes down long term."
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Right.
Stupid scam.
Ian Heinisch
So, it was nuts, bro.
Ken Rideout
It gave you a good lesson in being a salesperson.
Oh, dude.
Ian Heinisch
It was some of the most invaluable skills that I had.
Ken Rideout
But what about the fact that you don't have a [ __ ] work visa to be in Canada? You're just like, I forgot the end of the table.
Ian Heinisch
Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. It was all cash
Ken Rideout
And they were totally fine. But I mean, don't you have a certain time limit? You have to be out of the country.
Ian Heinisch
Didn't care.
Okay. But but there is a time and you were just like 6 months or something. I think the first time So, dude, the best sales training I've ever had. Like I'm literally like I fly up to like top 10 in this company out of like 80 people within the first two months. It's like I'm loving it.
Ken Rideout
And how much money are you making?
Ian Heinisch
I'm making 2 to four grand a week.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
So, like 19 years old, I was I was doing good, but I'm but but I can drink legally, so I'm spending it like crazy. Didn't work out with the original girl that I went there with. I met these Guatemalans who actually I found out they were like oligarchy. Like I didn't realize what they were, but I just thought they were some cool cats. Like super jacked. Like they love fitness. I actually got one of the guys to work for the the gas company [snorts] and the other guy was going to college in Vancouver.
You know, it didn't work out with the girls. So, I moved in with these guys and I knew the one brother was up to something. Like he was always like meeting these guys, talking in Spanish. Like it just seemed like like obviously they were connected to the cartel. And uh so I just start partying with these guys. I'm starting to make good money. Um I knock on this chick's door. Four girls open the door and they're like, "Oh, he's cute." and they like pull me in.
And uh
Ken Rideout
This is on a sales call.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, dude. We had crazy stuff happen to us on those. We would go to like I mean it was really cool. Like we would go to some of the nicest houses like 10 million minimum house and you they would my boss would be like ask them what's one lesson they could tell you to like becoming successful. Like it was just
Ken Rideout
I got you.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. It was just cool, man. Like it was like you were just learning how to talk to people, you know? like you would get a no and you'd celebrate it because you know if you get six nos your average was you were going to get a sale. So like
Ken Rideout
They had you totally like uh brainwashed all but it was it was a beautiful brainwashing.
Ian Heinisch
All right so the girl is crying in the corner. She just broke up with her boyfriend. I sign up all the people in there. I'm drinking Bloody Marys with them.
I'm dancing with this girl. I'm like ah cheer up. It's all good. And uh then her friend's like hey you have to drive her home because she's too drunk to drive. And I was like, we we're supposed to have this afterwork meeting every day. And I was like, I don't know if I can. And like, you have to. I was like, all right, fine. So, I go to my boss and I give him the seven give her the seven contracts. And I was like, I got to go.
I was like, just check me in. She's like, get back here. And then I I drive this chick home to her house. We're drinking wine cuz she sells wine for a living. And uh
Ken Rideout
And how old is she?
Ian Heinisch
Uh she's 37.
Ken Rideout
And yours?
19. These stories are [ __ ] crazy. All right, go ahead.
Ian Heinisch
And uh so I hear pounding on her door and it was weird cuz she lived in this like duplex thing. So her front door was a sliding glass door. So she goes over there. It's her ex-husband. He's screaming, cursing her out. Then he sees me and just starts flipping out. I walk up to the door. I'm like, "You want me to come out there, bro?" And he's like, "Yeah, let's go." And so I just slide the door open. Boom. I just pop him in his mouth.
He falls down. I jump full mount on him. And I'm just choking and like giving him slaps. I'm like, "You going to go home, bro? you going to go home? Her two kids are sleep. Their two kids are sleeping inside. And I'm like, dude, just go home, bro. I don't want no problems with you. And dude, he grabs me in the nuts and twist, dude. And I just snapped. I just lifted him up, held him over the twotory balcony
And he's like this. And she and the girl goes, "No." So I just turn and I hip toss him across. He rolls and I grab him by his collar and his leg pan and walk him to the staircase and just roll him down like a big flight of stairs. And so he gets up like all messed up and gets in his truck and drives away. I move in with this chick 10 days later.
Ken Rideout
Oh my god. You're not thinking he's going to come back and shoot you?
Ian Heinisch
It's Canada, bro.
Ken Rideout
That's true. Canada.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, it's a different I mean it it wouldn't matter for like my mindset back then. I was like
I was a savage back then, bro.
Ken Rideout
And you were just wrestling. You had no like had you done any boxing at this point or you were just all wrestling strength?
Ian Heinisch
All wrestling. Yeah, this is pure wrestling strength. um a few classes of boxing, but nothing serious.
And then so everything's going good. I'm playing stepdad. Uh I'm renting out the room next to her. That's what she told the kids. Um
You know, it was an interesting situation. She's actually really cool. We're still friends to this day.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Um but uh it was probably 6 months. I bought a car. I'm making good money. I'm starting to actually like
Like she's kind of keeping me more on track. like I'm not going out partying now and like doing stupid stuff, missing half a week of work cuz I'm all hung over.
And uh and then I hear that pounding on the door at like 7 a.m. And so I'm like, "Oh, he's back for round two. Let's go." I jump out of bed in my underwear, just throw the curtains open. And it's three immigration police. So he had found out that I was working illegally. Um I actually, like you said, after I think after 6 months, you had to go home. So, I flew home to see my family and I'm just loaded, bro. Like, like for me, I was loaded.
Like, I was making like 10 12 grand a month. You know what I'm saying? And Canadian money was like 30% higher than USD back then. So, I was just like
Throwing money around saying what up to my friends. I was shooting steroids like crazy. I was like 240 just yolked out.
Like it was just like
Ken Rideout
There was like no buffer with you. Steroids, coke. No buffer. Just
Ian Heinisch
No, dude. Just I was just all in. And uh I came back and I flew to Seattle and I tried to take a Greyhound bus to Vancouver. They stopped me because I had my DUI and they held me at the border. So I'm chilling at the border. Then I tried to walk across the border cuz I saw it was just like a open valley and they rolled up on me with the dogs and they're like they're like if you try to cross again it's 100 days mandatory.
And I called the girls that I originally went out there with and her mom came and picked me up and I was like, I'll get in the trunk, whatever. And uh she drove me across and uh they just happened to be like, oh yeah, you're just here for the week. And they didn't scan my passport and they drove me across.
Ken Rideout
Oh my god. So So after they told you 100 day men mandatory, you tried again. You're out of your [ __ ] mind.
Ian Heinisch
Well, I wanted that job, bro.
I was crushing it. So And my girl was there like
Yeah. I was just sitting on this little like hotel on the border looking at Canada. I was like, [clears throat] I got to get across. I'm like I had no idea.
Ken Rideout
Then you tell the mom, "Put me in the trunk like she's she's going to go to jail, too."
Ian Heinisch
She she she was an amazing woman. Uh rest in peace, man. She died of cancer. But uh um yeah, she was just down. She was like, "Nah." She's like, "Don't get in the trunk. Just sit in the passenger seat." She's like, "If they don't let you, they don't let you." And I was like,
Ken Rideout
"They told me they given me 100 years."
Ian Heinisch
I didn't tell her that. Oh jeez. I need a ride. I'm just sitting here. U I was like, I think it'll look better if a Canadian picks me up. And the girl her her daughter was mad at me still obviously. So I get locked up. It's a It's a Friday or no, it was a Thursday. Friday was a holiday. It was when Brock Lesnar fought Kane Velasquez. I'll never forget cuz it was I had plans to go watch that fight. And I'm just tweaking out, bro, cuz I'm on Xanax like crazy.
I'm like withdrawing steroids, alcohol. Like I'm freaking out in the little holding cell, you know? That's the worst. Like when you're just literally in a holding cell. Don't talk to anyone.
Ken Rideout
They say uh they say that Xanax one of the worst things to withdraw from.
Ian Heinisch
Oh dude, you have like a full panic attack. You never had a panic attack. Start taking Xanax and then stop. Like it's all those drugs, bro, are terrible. Like they literally give you the symptoms of the thing they're supposed to stop it from. Like it's just such a scam to be honest.
So um I I get him to take me to the hospital. I finally flipped out enough, pounded on the door. They took me to the hospital. I got my script to Xanax. I'll chill out.
Ken Rideout
Wait a minute. You complained about withdrawing from Xanax and they're like, "Oh, okay. Here's some Xanax."
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, they took me to the hospital. They have to. They have to. I knew the law.
Ken Rideout
Oh, they Oh, really?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. If you freak out and like scream long enough and like kick the door and like tell them like you're like you're having a panic attack or you're coming off drugs, they have to take you to the hospital. Okay.
And the hospital saw I had a prescription to Xanax. They said, "Dude, I'm like like I'm coming off it, you know, like." So they gave me a script. You can actually go into a seizure.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. So who who holds the script? The guards. And then they give it to
Ian Heinisch
They just give you the dose. They give it to her with food.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. With the um You have to go to like the medical window to get the cup with the pill in it.
Ian Heinisch
I think they just like dropped it with my food in like a baggie cuz they cuz like it was literally a holding cell for 4 days, bro. Hey,
So like any man would tweak out a little like and it's cold, you don't have a blanket, you just have the the mat.
Ken Rideout
Like it's it's terrible, bro.
Ian Heinisch
It's It's to make you feel uncomfortable and unlucky. Usually you only spend 24 hours in there and you go to you go to court, but I but I it was a holiday. So the girl shows up on Monday. She posts $5,000 bail. There's no bondsman. She was down to put 10 G's down. Bails me out.
And I'm just like sad, bro. I'm like, man, for sure I'm going to get deported now. I was like [snorts] I was like popping words where I was like let's go to the bar. I'm like shots of tequila and then I get back to her house and I'm looking for my ecstasy and and she's like she talked to the chick that I was originally with. This is what she told me. I don't I don't really know the truth about this but she talked to the chick that I was originally there with and she said that I was like going behind her back.
So she told me this crazy story that she was like hooking up with her husband's her ex-husband's friend while I was locked up. So I like punched a hole in her wall. I was just belligerent, right? I just like smashed the house up a little, passed out in bed, and uh I guess I scared the kids the next day. They were going to school and they're like, "This guy's crazy." So she came back hot, jumped on me full mount, was just teeing off on me. And like like I'm so hung over.
Like if you've ever done Xanax and drinking and tequila, like you can't even open your eyes. And so I just wanted whatever was happening to stop. So I like wake up on top of her holding her down. And she's like, "You're crazy." Grabs a phone, calls 911. So, I grabbed like a $2,000 bottle of wine. I just take off towards the beach cuz she sold wine for a living. So, I grabbed like one of her most expensive bottles and just took off. And uh cops cut me off.
I rolled over the hood, broke the bottle. Apparently, I attacked them. If it was America, they probably would have shot me or tased me.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
And bro, they tied me up in the patty wagon and just gave me like the like like a generational ass whooping. Like
Ken Rideout
The Canadian cops beat you up while you were tied up.
Ian Heinisch
Well, they tied me up and then they Yeah. Soccer kicked me. Soccer kicked me in the head. You Americans. Like they were pissed because like I was just like a belligerent American, you know? They don't like Americans.
Ken Rideout
I kind of like that. I'm like I'm I'm like almost proud of them. Like yeah, [ __ ] it. Someone's acting completely belligerent. Give them a beating.
Old school style.
Old school style.
Ian Heinisch
No, I I probably deserved it to be honest. And
They [snorts] sit me down with a detective. Bro, I'm still out of my mind, bro. What happened? And I just gave him the craziest story. I was like, I didn't [snorts] want to snitch on my my my boss cuz he's paying me under the table. So, like, how do you make money? How did you meet this girl? And it's just kind of funny because I wasn't really trained in MMA, but obviously it was on my mind. I said I was a cage fighter fighting underground. This is what I told him for money.
Ken Rideout
You never had a cage fighter?
Ian Heinisch
And I No. And I told him that I made money uh or I told that's how I made money. And I told her I met this girl online.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
Cuz I didn't want to like snitch. So, I told him this crazy story. And they're like, "Well, what about this guy who snitched you out?" And I was like I was like that rat like piece of trash. I was like I'll sneak across the border again and I'll kill him and put him in the ocean where nobody will find him. I was like I and they put this all verbatim in the newspaper front page of the Vancouver Sun.
Ken Rideout
What?
Ian Heinisch
Then they take me to court and the lawyer's like, "Do not talk."
Ken Rideout
By the way, the whole time you're telling me this, all I can think is I've I've like told my wife and my kids this. We're watching like a true crime documentary. Yeah. I'm like, if you get arrested for something, even if you don't know what the hell they're talking about, just tell them. I'll answer all the questions as soon as my lawyer gets here. But until then, I have no comment, nothing. They're like, "Well, what?" My my younger kids like, "Well, what if you didn't do anything?" I said, "You can tell them that when the lawyer gets there, but they tell you in advance, whatever you say, we're going to use it against you."
Ian Heinisch
So, why would you say anything?
Ken Rideout
They're telling you that they're going to turn your words against you.
Ian Heinisch
My boy, who I'll tell you about soon, literally acted [ __ ] Like, not like not trying to offend me, but like he acted like he was because he was taking so much ecstasy
And they thought he was something was wrong with him and he stayed silent. He just made grunts and noises and he literally got off because of it.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
You don't talk.
Yeah. Nothing.
You don't say anything because even if you say, "Oh, I'm innocent." Well, they'll be right. They're they're trained psychology to get you to say something to to hold against you.
Ken Rideout
Same thing when the cop asks you, you know why I pulled you over?
No comment. Here's my license and registration.
Yeah. [clears throat]
Ian Heinisch
Nothing else.
And and you got to be respectful these times, bro. Like the people are so stupid. Oh, why did I get attacked? Like you're hostile right away. You're making them nervous. Like
Ken Rideout
Just be just be chill.
100%.
Ian Heinisch
You know what I'm saying? Like, hey. Yes, sir. Absolutely. No, sir. Dude, we've literally been drinking so hard and pulled over. had a freaking 30 pack and a bottle of um uh Captain Morgan right here. And my boy looks at the guy, "Have you guys been drinking?" And he looks at him straight in the eye, goes, "No, sir. Absolutely not."
All right, boys. Well, you guys have a good one. It's the people who go, "Have you had a drink tonight?" "Well, just well, just one." Like, he looked straight in the eyes. I know he's lying, but like with he said it with confidence and we got away.
Ken Rideout
All right. So, this whole thing's in the Vancouver sun.
Ian Heinisch
So, dude, going back to the story, we we're we're sitting amongst the judge. The lawyer says, "Don't speak."
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
I just hop right up. Your honor, I would like to speak. I see my lawyer go like this and I go, "I [snorts] want to say I'm not a violent person, but when I drink and do Xanax, sometimes I get like that and I'm sorry. I will not do that again. I love your country and I want to stay here." And she I'll never forget she's like, "Mr. Highness, you are a threat to Canadian society. You will not be allowed out. We will hold you here until you are deported back to your country." And boom, they come up, throw the handcuffs on me, she slaps the thing.
And I'll never forget, bro, I always tell this story. Uh, the Canadian girl was in the stands and she goes, "Ian, I am so sorry." In her Canadian accent, like it just like I don't know why that stuck with me so hard. And then they put me in jail.
I think it was like four to six months, bro.
Ken Rideout
Four to six months in Canadian prison.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Or in a jail?
Ian Heinisch
In their jail.
Ken Rideout
And what was that like? It was actually pretty tough.
Really? Wow.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, it's similar to American prison. Very tribalistic. A lot of like Hell's Angels and gangs and stuff. Uh
I mean, it wasn't too bad. Like, but I was young and um I was popping my Xanax and I was just sad and like I I needed to like quit being sorry for myself, you know? Like I was just like I I really felt like this is my calling cuz like if I got my license back then I could have ran a car and ran a team of salespeople and they were making like 30 grand a month and like for me that was like the most money in the world you can make.
Like I was a millionaire I thought.
And uh so I was just sad, right? Like cuz we did me and the girl we we did like each other. Obviously it wouldn't never worked out. She was so much older but we had a good time. But so anyways I I I'm just going down. I'm just in a stoop and I'm making toast. Go back in my cell. I'm sleeping a lot. Dudes roll up in my cell, like four of them. Yo, what's up, bro? You didn't ask to use our toaster. And I'm like, what?
What are you talking about? Wham! Gives me a slap. Like a hard one.
Ken Rideout
White guy.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. So now
Ken Rideout
Bike. What kind of guy? Biker.
Ian Heinisch
Like biker tatted up, you know.
Ken Rideout
So like a white gang.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, white gang.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
That's all there was there.
Ken Rideout
Oh, there was Oh, it was only whites.
Ian Heinisch
Only whites.
What were the different groups? Uh, I don't know. They have a couple like different I I couldn't even tell you at this time, but there was a couple different ones like Hell's Angels and then there was I I don't even know.
All right, go ahead. So, he slaps me hard, bro. So, now I'm like snapped out and then and I look at his boys and they both got knives and he goes, "Listen, bro. This is our pod. We run things here." And he goes, "You don't just use what you want to use." And I'm and I'm cellmates with this like old school gang member. Like he was just like a like a OG, you know, like 55 tatted up. Like they all just looked like bikers. So I'm like, "All right, all right, bro." I was like, "I'll see you around.
Don't worry." Like I'm like pissed, bro. I'm just plotting. I'm like, they just punked me hard. And so like now I'm like I like threw my Xanax away. I'm just like, "All right." Like like let's see what's going on.
And uh this dude comes up to me and he goes, "Yo, this dude's calling you a big [ __ ] bro." Oh, he says, "You you Yanks, you know, that's like an offensive thing for them. You American yank, you [ __ ] all this stuff." So, I'm like, "What cell is he in?" And they're like, "That one right over there." So, I just roll up, bro. And this poor guy, bro, he probably didn't even say it. Like, he he must have been on the opposite gang or something.
And I just slapped the glasses off his face, choked him, smacked his head on the wall, and he finally JUST WAS LIKE, "AH." LIKE, SCREAM, BRO. And I walked out and slammed the door. when you shut the door, they lock automatically.
And he comes out just pounding on the glass. And I just walk up to my son. I'm just like, "All right, I'm getting ready to go to the hole."
And the same guys who slapped me walked up to the guard. We don't know who did it.
We don't know. And after that, bro, they never bothered me again.
Ken Rideout
Interesting.
Ian Heinisch
And I just started working out with them, just being cool with them.
Ken Rideout
Oh, cuz they probably realized like, "Oh, this guy's [ __ ] crazy. We better get him on our team or he's going to be slapping one of us next.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, I mean they definitely had the upper hand with numbers, but they they maybe they saw like they could use me or like they wanted to test me. I don't I don't really know. But like once I did that, bro, like that was they just left they just left me alone after that.
Ken Rideout
Oh, they didn't even try to get you to do any work for them?
Ian Heinisch
No.
Ken Rideout
Oh, interesting.
Ian Heinisch
No, it was
Ken Rideout
So, how do you finally end up getting out of there?
Ian Heinisch
So, I I don't I can't remember. It was like between like 4 6 3 6 months. Like it was kind of a blur, but um I was just waiting to get deported.
You know, this isn't like the feds. This
Ken Rideout
I know. So the whole time you're in jail, are you not like, "Guys, just send me home." Like, "What do I do?" I
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. And Oh, we're backed up.
Ken Rideout
Backed up to like throw me over the border. Shoot me in a [ __ ] cannon.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. I wanted out of there, bro. It's suck. And finally, they came. They uh put me on a plane. You know, I was I was escorted two two cops locked up.
Ken Rideout
So, wait. You're escorted to the airport in handcuffs. Do they take the handcuffs off when
Ian Heinisch
Dude, I was in the orange jumpsuit walking through the the airport.
Ken Rideout
And when they put you on the plane, do they take the cuffs off before you take off?
Ian Heinisch
No.
So, you they let me change out of my orange jumpsuit into civilian clothes.
Ken Rideout
Where?
Ian Heinisch
Once we got through security
Ken Rideout
In the airport.
Ian Heinisch
In the airport. So they took me to the bathroom and they I put on civilian clothes.
Ken Rideout
They took the cuffs off and said, "Change your clothes." Put the cuffs back on and escorted you until you landed in the US.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. They just put like a shirt over my hands. And they
Ken Rideout
And at what point did they take the cuffs off of you?
Ian Heinisch
I I don't really remember.
Ken Rideout
When you land in the US?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. When we landed in the US, I think it was like right before customs.
Ken Rideout
At any point when they took them off, did you feel like I ought to slap both of you right now?
Ian Heinisch
No. I was just like I I had like petty warrants, so I thought they were going to wait for me on the other side.
Ken Rideout
And when you get through customs in the US, just like, "Hey, welcome home."
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Welcome [clears throat] home.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
And when did the two cops turn around and head out? Yeah.
Or did they go through customs, too?
Ian Heinisch
No, they headed out.
Ken Rideout
So, they didn't know that you were being escorted from the Canadian authorities.
Ian Heinisch
Dude, I mean, this is this is 2011. So, I I don't fully remember that part. It was it was cuz even I had a lawyer cuz I'm trying to get back to Canada cuz bare knuckle Ice Wars is I have no paperwork from that. The Vancouver son thing luckily well I used to go on dates with girls and they would look it up and it's like the front page says 19-year-old beats up 37year-old girlfriend fugitive. He's a fugitive cage fighter. Like that was the front page of the And like so I would be dating girls when I first got out and they'd Google my name and that would pop up.
Oh my god. And it was it was kind my boy was like, "Bro, just own it." Cuz I'd be like, "No, well, this is really what happened." And finally with this one chick, I said, "I'm a bad man and you shouldn't hang out with me." And she's like, "What are you doing later?" I'm like, "Dude, these girls are crazy." But anyways, I told the UFC like, "Let's erase this. Like, help me like like erase it." But if you I think if you dig dig and I have screenshots somewhere to find that article, but um
Ken Rideout
So you get back to the US.
Ian Heinisch
I have no paperwork anymore from that. And I like the lawyer was asking me like, "How did they deport you?" And I was like, "I just remember walking through the airport in an orange jumpsuit and they and then they sat next to me on the plane with a like a shirt over my cuffs." So they might have right when we walked out, I think they might have taken them off. So
Ken Rideout
Okay.
So anyway, you get back to the US 2011 then what do you do?
Ian Heinisch
So I get back to the US. So when I'm over living with those Guatemalans, we had this guy who could move some weight and he asked us about these XC pills and they were dirt cheap and so good. Like it was like it was like two bucks a pill.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
So we mailed him a couple packages and he was just like blowing me up, bro. He's like, "Bro, we got to get
Ken Rideout
Where is he that you
Ian Heinisch
Denver?"
Ken Rideout
Okay. So now you're a friend from Denver.
And so now you're back in the US in Denver.
Ian Heinisch
Yes. So now I'm back in the US in Denver 2011. It's a recession and I'm like my parents are divorced. My dad's living wild and my mom's kind of struggling. I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't want to get a regular job. So, I call my my Guatemalan boys and I say, "Yo, bro, send me a couple packages. Let's see what I can do, too."
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
So, they send me a couple packages. We start to hit the rave scene, you know? I'd give like three of my boys 100 pills. I'd walk around. I'd be the guy, the signaler. I'd be like, "Hey, bro. You want some X?" And they'd be like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." I'll be that guy in the red shirt. Go over there. Hey, bro. You want some X? And like every now and then, a secret cop would throw me against the wall and search me. And I would just act all trash like what XY and so I would never carry but I would be the signaler at the end of the night.
We'd fill a table with all the cash. That was obviously getting risky. We'd make good money. We'd make a better margin because you could sell it for like 15 20 a pill and we're getting them for two bucks. But then I started getting wholesale distributors. They'd buy hundreds of pills, thousands of pills. And uh so I'm sending him Western unions twice a week, thousands of dollars. He's sending me about 10,000 pills. And um [snorts]
Ken Rideout
I don't know much about this uh about the ecstasy scene, but I can tell this doesn't sound like a good idea right from the rip, but go ahead.
Ian Heinisch
So they're FedExing me on I'm Western Union. They start to freeze my Western unions, and then my the Guatemalan says, "Hey, bro. Um, he goes, "Dude, you get this thing called Bitcoin. It's like a stock. It goes up and down, blah blah blah." I look at it. It was 17 cents. And I was like, "Nah, bro. I don't understand it." I was like,
He's like, I was like, "There's my Bitcoin." Imagine if I just bought a hundred bucks and got locked up till now. I'd be 100 millionaire.
But, uh, so anyways, he sends a guy down. The guy brings 100,000 pills. He starts giving me 10,000 a week and I deliver him the cash to downtown Denver. We meet at all these different places.
Ken Rideout
A Guatemalan guy. Canadian.
Ian Heinisch
Okay.
Canadian.
Ken Rideout
Just a random runner.
Ian Heinisch
Just a runner.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
You know, now I'm selling weight, bro. And this chick that's been hanging out with my boy for a while, but it's kind of this weird relationship they have. She's asked me like twice, "Hey, can I you know where to get some?" I'm like, "No." Like, we don't tell her we're selling. You know, obviously we don't involve, but they're not stupid, right? We got drugs, money, we're meeting people all the time. And finally, she bothers me. She goes, "He'll buy a,000 pills, which we call a boat."
Yeah. for7,000. I think it was like it was like a high price. And she goes, "And I'll drive." And that was the point where I was like, "All right, if you'll drive," cuz like I I sat right behind her and we got pulled over. I was pushing it right under her seat. And uh so we show up to this Walmart and this sketchy looking dude gets in and I'm looking at him and he pulls out the money and I'm just like, "Dude, this he doesn't even have enough money." I'm like, "This is so bad." I'm like, "Pull the car out.
Start go through the drive-thru of McDonald's." And I'm like looking around and she pulls out and this freaking SUV smashes in the front. We get smashed in the back. Cops like jump out like the movies. Jump on the hood, pistol to us, throw me on the ground, pistol to my temple just holding me there.
Drug task force.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
And I'm looking at the broken Walmart sign and I'm just like, dude, I am screwed, bro. And I was 19 getting ready to turn 20 and I was like, there is no way I'm going to jail. So my boy acts totally like like he has autism or something. Like they were just like they came in. They're like, "Hey, does your brother like is he okay?" And I was like, "Nah, dude. He's he's gone." And cuz he just was like drooling and just making grunts and noises and uh I post bail the next day.
Get out. Um
Ken Rideout
By the way, did you kick the the drugs under the girl's chair?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Oh, so
Ken Rideout
But it was a setup. But it was I was going to say even if you kick it under, if you think it's a setup, she's going to be like, "Yeah, I got them. Here, you can kick the drugs under the seat." It's like she's an informant.
Ian Heinisch
She was an informant. But I was just thinking if she got pulled over and we got
Ken Rideout
Why was she informing? Did she have a case hanging over her head?
Ian Heinisch
That's what we think.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. From California.
Ken Rideout
All right. All right. So, go ahead.
Ian Heinisch
It was stupid, bro. We were so like we we were getting high on our own supplies so much that we just weren't businessminded. And uh so post bail and I was like, "Dude, I'm not going to go to jail, man. I'm on like pre-trial uh probation where I got to call every single day. Surprised they didn't give me an ankle monitor, but I had to, you know, do UAS. I had to like all this stuff." And uh I went to the post office, tried to get a passport.
They issued me a passport. I was like, "Oh, yeah. Let's go." They went to my uh my apartment.
Ken Rideout
How did you get into Canada without a passport?
Ian Heinisch
My passport just expired.
Ken Rideout
Oh, okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
So, you just went and renewed it?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Okay. So, I renewed my passport. Yeah. And I went to
I They went to my apartment and like like the movies, bro. Like cut pillows open, cut the mattress, threw everything around, stole 30,000 cash, found another thousand pills, stole weed, stole steroids. I mean, everything, bro. The only thing they noted that they found was um the other thousand pills.
Ken Rideout
So, they they took your money.
Ian Heinisch
Oh, bro. They raided me. It was like the movie. Like, bro, if you walked in this place, every picture thrown off, the like everything the every mattress cut, every pillow cut open. Like,
Ken Rideout
Do they replace that stuff?
Ian Heinisch
No.
Ken Rideout
Really? They just come in, destroy your stuff.
Destroy.
If they hadn't found anything, what would happen?
Ian Heinisch
Um,
Ken Rideout
There must be some accountability. If cops just come in, search a warrant, serve a warrant, and destroy your house.
Ian Heinisch
Well, you get a warrant, they can just come in, dude.
Ken Rideout
But if they destroy your house, they must be on the hook for something. The warrant doesn't give them permission to like burn your [ __ ] house to the ground.
Ian Heinisch
I don't know, man. All right.
They You have You have a valid point. It was just a little one-bedroom apartment, but they
Ken Rideout
But for you, they found the drug, so they were probably like, "We got them."
Ian Heinisch
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they were trying to get to the distributor.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Apparently, they've been working on this case. Okay.
Like, anyways, they they tear everything up and I go back to the I'm like, "Oh my gosh, this is so bad." And I found a slipper with like 2,000 bucks in it that I owed someone. It was the only thing they didn't find. And so, I took that money. I said, "This is my ticket out, bro. I d I bought a a ticket to on a Greyhound to Indiana. Drove out there, said goodbye to my family. Bought a a train ticket from Chicago to New York.
Say goodbye to my family. I bought a plane ticket from JFK to Amsterdam with like a couple thousand bucks in my pocket cuz I told my family relatives I was going backpacking Europe. So, they threw me some cash.
Ken Rideout
Okay. So, you go to Am Why Amsterdam?
Ian Heinisch
I don't know. I just
Ken Rideout
That's [ __ ] up story. [gasps] All right. So, you just turn up in Amsterdam. What do you have with you?
Backpack.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, backpack. and a 10
Ken Rideout
And a few bucks.
Ian Heinisch
And a few bucks.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Go ahead.
Ian Heinisch
Um I think there was something else I wanted to say about that story because I wanted my boy to come with me, but he just didn't have the money. I think his parents sent him to rehab in California. If he didn't, if I didn't get caught, they came to the house. They put this hot chick in front of the door. They were looking for me. He answered, they drugg him out, drug him to the park and were questioning him, questioning my dad. So they eventually came looking for me and him and he got arrested.
And then his parents bailed him out and sent him to uh and if I didn't get in trouble for 3 years, they dropped all charges on him. So anyways too, when I left and I just found out recently, all those guys I was distributing took over the business when I left. Nobody got in trouble and they grew this thing to like a freaking like highlevel empire where they all got hit with RICO charges. My one buddy did eight years in the feds,
I think. Uh, I don't want to speak on it cuz there's still an ongoing case, but like dude, this thing grew into like a ecstasy empire.
Ken Rideout
Wow.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. I just kind of found out all the details of it. But I
Ken Rideout
Anyone making it in Guatemala or in Canada?
Ian Heinisch
No, Canada.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. So, anyways, I land in Amsterdam and I'm just like, all right, I'm Euro tripping now. Like,
Ken Rideout
You're just on the run? You have no I'm a fugitive on the run.
Ian Heinisch
Okay.
For felony warrants.
Okay. And uh [groaning] man, where do I start? I get arrested the first night. Jesus Christ. For what?
I don't remember, man. I think I fell asleep on the street or something. I woke up in jail. Well, I was like, "What can you do that you can't do in America?" I kind of like switched from like on the run mode to like, "Hey, I'm in Europe now. Like, let's enjoy." like and I was watching like Euro Trip and like I just wanted [snorts] to get like I drank absin and then I was drinking vodka and I was at the coffee shop. Uh it was just a craziness, bro.
Like eventually I was like ran out of money. I'm like walking down the street and these crackheads would run up to me like, "You owe us money from last night?" Like like I hated Amsterdam, bro. I wanted to get out of there.
Um and I called my cousin and he said,
"I got a buddy who lives in Belgium. you can go stay with him until you get a job. So, I took a little bus, like a $30 bus, 30- year old bus, and went over to Belgium. And uh I took out my funny little resume, started going around town, and finally I went to this Irish pub and I was like, he's like, "You have experience working in the kitchen and my uncle in the pizza place." And I was like, "Yeah, sure, sure." He's like, "All right." He goes, "Well, where's your work visa?" I was like, "Oh, it's in the mail, bro.
I already got accepted, but you know how the mail is here." And he's like, "All right, cool. Just give it to me when you got it." So, I start working at an Irish pub. 6 months goes by, he goes, "Hey, where's that work visa?" I was like, "Ah, bro. You know how the mail is here, but I He's like, "All right, well, if if immigration comes in, you got to hide in this closet." And I was like, "All right, cool." And uh so I'm making a decent paycheck.
And uh then I met this crazy English guy. He comes in from Tenneref. He met this uh Belgium girl and he he moved back to uh Belgium with her. And bro, we he's like a [snorts] crazy guy. He's he actually we reunited and he was on below deck like on multiple episodes and he's just like has no family. He just runs around. But um we both got fired from the job. The Irish guy left us there alone and these like group of uh hen party. It was a bachelorette party and we just partied with them all night.
Like didn't charge them.
Just drank behind the bar like and he prints out the fugitive [snorts] cage fighter thing the next day. looked at the cameras, came in, and he's like, "You're both fired." He's like, "You're lucky I don't call the cops on you." We walked him to the register. We said, "Pay us, and you'll never see us again. Pay us what you owe us." He didn't want to do what we held. And there were like, "Dude, you're going to pay us." So, he pulls out the cash, gives it to us.
And the English guy's like, "Don't worry, I'll get us a job, mate. We'll go to England." And I'm like, "All right, let's go." So, we hopped on a ferry from Belgium to England. We get there. His idea of a job is us living in this shell of an apartment with no carpet, no electricity, no running water. And we basically camped in this apartment and painted it in the day. And I'm like, "Dude, I can't do this, bro." Like, we're in like some like weird small town in England up north.
And uh so we went to this place called Sheffield, this college town.
And uh we get jobs working as a PR. They didn't want to pay us. We said, "Give us one night. We'll show you what we can do." We brought like so many chicks in. We brought so many dudes in like
And uh so finally they gave us a paying job. him like one week, one month in, he the dude, the guy I'm with, Kyle, tries to rob the safe or I forget. He did something crazy and I was like, I don't even know this guy. I just met him. They're like, "All right, you can keep your job." I moved into student living and I'm doing all these jobs like these and like selling these like coupon books, like all this like crazy stuff, bro. Like I'm just like using my sales techniques, you know?
And uh you know, I was like, "You know what? I called up the Guatemalan and he started sending he I was like, "Send me a package. Let me see what I can do. So he he ships me a package of pills like 500 to now to England.
Yeah. And it was just a terrible market, bro. It was not They are used to like terrible drugs, cheap prices. It was just trash, bro. So like eventually and I was stepping on people's toes. I just sold them to like the guys who ran it cheap and I was like, "Get me out of here." So finally I made my way to the Canary Islands, Tenneref, and I was like, "This is paradise. This is where I'm supposed to be." I'm walking on the beach. I walked to the club area and I was like, "Are you guys hired?" They're like, "Yeah, you're hired tonight if you want." And I was like, "Cool." So, we're doing the PR stuff.
Well, their idea of us working was we got one euro per person we brought in, but they give us eight drinks when we work, four drinks when we got off.
So, basically, we're getting paid in drinks. Like,
It was a terrible job for me. 3 months of this, bro, I am full-blown alcoholic. Sleep until like 2:00 every day. Wake up with the shakes. Have to drink right when I wake up. doing any drug I can get my hand on. Like, it was bad. And finally, I couldn't even afford €30 in a cockroachinfested uh this town home with eight other dudes. And I was finally I was like homeless. It was like rock bottom. So, I'm sleeping on park benches. I slept on the beach a few nights.
I was couch surfing. Um and uh this guy from Miami, he's like, "Hey, Gringo, like, "Hey, man, we don't want to see you living like that. You could stay with us." So, they took me in like family. And they still are like family to this day. And then uh one day after I got sober, I started working out. I started going to MMA gym. Like I was like, man, I'm like it felt like I had finally had a family, you know. And the dad sat me down.
He was like, "Hey, Gringo, you want to make some real money?" And I was like, "Yeah." And he was like, "Let's go to Colombia."
Ken Rideout
Wait, what national? They're Colombians in Tenneref.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Okay. So, they're speaking Spanish.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
But do you speak Spanish?
Ian Heinisch
No, a little. But
Ken Rideout
So they speak as much English. Oh, okay. The the kid was from Miami.
All right. So, the Colombians in Tenneref take you in and they're going to like basically turn you onto a money-m operation.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Okay. So, go ahead. What happens to
Ian Heinisch
Start taking trips to Colombia? Vanilla Aruba.
Yeah. Swallowing kilos of coke and bringing them back.
Ken Rideout
Swallowing a whole kilo of coke. 2 and 12 lbs of cocaine. Swallowing.
Ian Heinisch
2.2.
Ken Rideout
How many [ __ ] subdivisions is this? Like, how's it broken up? 110 gram.
110 gram. So 100 different packages you swallow.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. You try.
Ken Rideout
You can fit 2 and 12 lbs of cocaine inside of your inside of your person.
Ian Heinisch
Oh yeah.
Ken Rideout
Swallowing them.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
What the hell? Your freaking whole body, your whole stomach must be consumed with 2 and 12 lbs of coke in balloons, I'm assuming.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. It takes like it took like 6 to 8 hours
Ken Rideout
To get them all down.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
All right. So, go ahead. Like first time you go to How does he bring this up? You go to Columbia, what happens?
Ian Heinisch
Well, he just sat me down and was like, "Let's go make some real money." You know, they were like hustlers, too. They weren't like uh you know, they were just trying to get by, you know, and uh he had the connection, so he's like, "Let's go try it." Me and his son went down the first time. Went to Cali. That was the sketchiest time. They packaged it for us and just handed. We're basically mules for them the first time and we got paid 5,000 euros and then finally it was like, "Yo, let's do this ourselves.
We'll package it ourselves. We'll make more money. I'll keep some. I'll sell some."
Ken Rideout
But aren't you nervous? If you're working for them, they like if if anyone else knows you're doing this, like let's say I've got a guy who's coming through with six kilos and I got two [ __ ] dopes that are going with a kilo each. I'm like, "Hey, I'll give you two guys if you just bust those two guys and let the rest of the plane go."
Ian Heinisch
Oh, yeah. People would sacrifice people. I saw it.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Like, but aren't you thinking like, "I'm not going to get sacrificed." But
Ian Heinisch
I never even thought about it. Oh, really?
I didn't know they did that until I got locked up.
Ken Rideout
I got you. Cuz I would be thinking like, I'm not telling anyone. I want them to give it to me and think I'm staying in Colombia, going back to the US and try to be on the DL.
Ian Heinisch
This was not like a cartel operation.
Ken Rideout
Okay. This was just a bunch of hammerheads. Think
Ian Heinisch
This was this was just some like I mean dude, if you go down to Columbia, Venezuela, it's just part of the culture, bro.
You light up a joint in the car and my boys girls like flipping out drop me off. But we got 4 kilos in the back drive around. That's just business.
Ken Rideout
Okay. Okay.
Ian Heinisch
So like their culture is very different. Like if you sell Coke, you're just a businessman.
Ken Rideout
So the first time you go there and you see a kilo of Coke, like I've never seen a kilo of coke. Are you like what the This is crazy,
Ian Heinisch
Bro. The first time you as I'm saying the first time was the cra we went to Cali. If you
Ken Rideout
What's that like?
Ian Heinisch
Dude, this is like the ghettoest of the ghetto dirt roads. Uh we we went to this casino. We went to this mall called Chippy Chapa and we're in this casino. We're like showing this dude um like our phone or the address we're going to. He goes, "You guys are staying there?" We're like, "Yeah." God. He was like, "Bro, like we went to the park and we're smoking a joint and all of a sudden I turned around and we got military pointing ARs at us and we're like like that.
They made me take my shoes off, searched us, and then let us go." [snorts] Like we're in like the cut. Like we're hearing gunshots at night. I mean, it's just But like, dude, I don't know. I just felt at home with those guys like like they brought the kilo down from the jungle and uh bro I they were like, "Don't do a line, Gringo. Don't do a line. It's just a little. You just need a little. I'm like, "You guys don't know me." And I sniffed the line and I double egged my boy right onto a glass table and put him through it in their house.
That was the first thing. But bro, I like it was so strong after that was like hands were curling up.
Ken Rideout
But you could um you I I feel like with that stuff like down there in the jungle, you can still go to sleep because it doesn't have all the other crap cut into it like all the speed and all the other things that they put into it here.
Ian Heinisch
No, bro. You could not go to sleep.
Ken Rideout
Oh, really?
Ian Heinisch
No, dude. It was It was too strong. You like They were not lying. You did not want to do a lime.
Ken Rideout
It was different than American cocoa, right?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. You just need like a little bit and it would just eat through your nose cuz it was so acidic cuz it's the pure stuff. Like it just
Ken Rideout
So they So they give you this kilo and then where do you go?
Ian Heinisch
They give you the kilo. They're blendering it up. They're packaging it. And I'm just like I go to this party, bro. I'm the only white boy there. And it's just like they're just looking at me like this crazy gringo. Like it was just like I was just the crazy gringo. Like I don't know. Like
Ken Rideout
It was all just Colombian guys and girls.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Okay. Dancing. Everyone's dancing.
Ken Rideout
Colombian girls are beautiful though.
Ian Heinisch
Unbeliev Bro. We'd be like there'd be like a pile of trash with like a crackhead eating in it. And then there would be like the most beautiful girl in high heels in this dirt road. There's chickens everywhere. And then there'll be like a 16-year-old beautiful girl and she's fully pregnant. Like it was just
It was like a culture shock. And you go to the gym and every girls it was like it was like eight girls and two dudes and all the girls are just like supermodels.
You know what I'm saying? It was just it was just nuts, bro. Like I went to the we went to the club dancing and the girls would not let me sit down for one song. Every girl was coming up to me. And like so I was just dancing, dancing, pouring sweat. And um but we went up to the mountains the first time and I asked this little kid cuz and the kids are just surrounding me. We're in this beautiful river, bro. And they're just surrounding me.
They're looking at me like
Ken Rideout
And I'm like, "Why are they looking at me, bro?" They're like, "He's never seen a white boy."
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
And then I asked one of the kid, I was like, "Where's the Garija?" And he goes, "Ai, over there."
Ken Rideout
Gar
Ian Heinisch
Like they're the gorilla like like the coke people like. And I'm just like, bro, I put on my sombrero. I'm like, I do not want to get kidnapped. Like, we drove by and there was like there was like a pool full of coke leaves and this dude was like cracked out like this, like stomping in it. Like he like his job was to stomp the coke leaf. Like it it was I didn't see the full production line, but I was close.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
And I didn't really want to be there to be honest cuz it was
Ken Rideout
Why were you?
Ian Heinisch
I don't know, man. They drove me up there. I had no idea. I didn't speak any Spanish back then. Like we'd be driving down the street and I look out and there's a pistol pointed at my head and it's a cop on the back of the thing. Pull over. And they pull us all out and they're like, "What are you doing with this American?" And they're like, "He's just a friend. We're just showing them around to our friends." And they're like, "Uh, okay." And then they're like, "Let me go." Cuz they just never seen an American there.
Ken Rideout
Wow. All right.
Ian Heinisch
Like it's so much more tourist touristy now. But like this is Cali. Like look up Cali. Cali is in the cut. It's in the mountains.
Okay. It's not like Barnia Santa Marta or Medigene where most people go. Like this is like this is like in the cut. We were there with my boys, dad's girlfriend's family.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
So, um anyways, man, they gave us the stuff. We swallowed it.
Ken Rideout
So, they put it in a blender, then they put it in the balloons. Are you watching them do it?
Ian Heinisch
Because it's a pressed kilo. They break it up in powder and then they're compressing it. No, I didn't even watch them do it.
Ken Rideout
Okay. So, they just hand you all these
Ian Heinisch
When we would do it. When we would do it, we would put it in a g a glove, tighten it, tie it with floss, and then cut it, and then put it in another glove. Do it four layers.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
So, it was it it just depended on how much you could swallow. In the beginning, bro, I only could swallow like half a kilo, but like the like the longer you did it, the better you got. And I'll be like on the phone with him and he's like he's like, "I'll throw you another 500 euros, swallow two more." And uh so anyways, you feel like crap. You have plastic all in your body. And um
Ken Rideout
So you get these things all in you. Like what do you feel like when you load it up with all these things?
Ian Heinisch
Oh, you feel terrible cuz it's like so the final there's a special shiny paper they put on it. They say this will pass the X-ray and then we wrap it in like like uh what's that really thin plastic that you put like over like food?
Ken Rideout
Saran wrap.
Ian Heinisch
Saran wrap type stuff. And then to make it smooth and take some yogurt.
Ken Rideout
Okay. [snorts]
Ian Heinisch
Walk around. Walk around.
Your intestines is like hundreds of feet.
Ken Rideout
But this is this is like an hour before your flight is leaving.
Ian Heinisch
No, we like if the flight would leave at like noon. You're you're you're up at 4:00 a.m.
Ken Rideout
Okay. But so hours before it's not the day before.
Ian Heinisch
No. No. You're trying you're literally swallowing your last one. Grab the body of whis a bottle of whiskey. I'm taking like four pulls from the bottle because now I'm not even paranoid. I'm just drunk. Okay. Like let's go. All right. And it and it took away like the nasty plastic feeling.
Ken Rideout
Okay. So you got
Ian Heinisch
So I go to the airport and I switch to I'm a drunk American. I'm a rich drunk American. Pass through. No problem. Have a good one. And and then you know we make the money and then we come back. I think it was like the fourth trip. We're in Bogota and this uh this black guy in street clothes comes up to me and everyone in the comments always wrote why you say black guy because he's not Colombian. And so for me it's like like
Ken Rideout
Why is that offensive to someone?
Ian Heinisch
I don't know bro like what why does a black guy I'm like cuz if some Colombian like dude came up to me but there's a lot of black Colombians especially in like the coast and stuff. He comes up to me damisu passport and I'm like uh no compren sir like I play stupid. This is where at the airport
Bogota airport, the capital. Like we had just flown from Barnia to Bogota. And he whips out secret police. Shows me his badge, takes my passport. Sit down. Ah, you like Colombia, huh? Fourth time here this year, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a girlfriend. Sits me next to this beautiful looking girl and this sketchy dude. And I look over to the girl and I say, "What are we doing here?" And she goes, "Uh, the echay." She tells me in Spanish, "The X-ray." And I'm like, "Ah." sitting here with like about a kilo of coke in my stomach and I just remember bro I was like dude I just have to not look sketch right now cuz I'm freaking out cuz it's like and [clears throat] I didn't even know the sentence.
I've watched Banged Up Abroad recently like a year ago 9 to 12 years for a kilo that's not like I would I would be cooked bro. So we walk into this room probably the size of this, a little bit bigger, big machine, walk through, sign fingerprint. I look at him, they go, "Ti Wendia, Senor Hines, the paper worked." And bro, I got hit with a adrenaline dump that like I could only compare to like winning a fight. Like it was just And I'm just walking like, "Whoa, that's crazy." And I like walk on the plane and I see the Colombian guy cuz like we act like we don't know each other and he's looking at me like this.
I'm like we're good bro. We're good, [clears throat]
You know? Then I started to get cocky cuz I'm like what are they going to do? X-ray me?
Ken Rideout
Cuz now you think the X-rays that this stuff is actually working.
Not that it's a shitty.
Ian Heinisch
It is. It does work, bro. And like it's no secret. People get mad. Oh, you snitch. Blah blah. Like bro, watch Banged Up Abroad. This paper's all over the place. They actually used this paper back 20 years ago. People used to smuggle bomb material in the Middle East. Yeah.
Because those are the first people to put the X-rays in the airport. Yeah. So after like 12 trips now, we're not waiting 3 months going for a month. Waiting 3 months. Now I'm going like month month. Like it's just like getting crazy. And I go we go to Aruba. We can't get the work. We extend our trip with
Ken Rideout
You say you can't get to work. You can't find Coke in
Ian Heinisch
We can't find Coke, bro. It was dry.
Ken Rideout
So wait a minute. You would just go to a random country and be like, "Where can I get a kilo of?"
Ian Heinisch
No. No. We had connections. Oh, okay. Yeah.
Ken Rideout
So, what happened? You got the guy said, "I got you in Aruba." You get to Aruba and the guy's like, "Change of plans. I can't get it."
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Like, "We're out."
Ken Rideout
Dude, you know, I just flew from Tenneref to Aruba. What do you mean you're out?
Ian Heinisch
Well, we It was
Ken Rideout
Kind of amateur is this?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. It was Stu. I mean, honestly, it was like uh we just expected them to always have it.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
I don't even think we called ahead.
Ken Rideout
Oh, okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. It was just like we just show up.
All right. What do you do from Aruba? So, so we extend the trip, then we finally get the stuff, then we um
Ken Rideout
In Aruba, someone finally got
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, we we extended our trip, then we got it, we loaded up. This time we flew from Aruba to Karakas, Venezuela, then direct to Tenneref. We've never done that. Usually, we go to Madrid, Barcelona.
Ken Rideout
Oh, go to mainland and then to Tenneref.
What would What's the difference?
Ian Heinisch
Um, it just looked sketchy cuz we're coming straight from Karakas to Tenneref.
Ken Rideout
I live in Tenneref.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, but I'm a tourist. I'm the only white guy. I don't know. It just they they pulled me in the office. They questioned me.
Ken Rideout
Soon as they question you and they pull up your records, they're like, "Oh, this is [ __ ] a simpleton can figure this out. He flies to the mainland into Tenneref every time. Like this is not like some sophisticated plot where they're like, "Oh, this guy's a mastermind. How are we going to untangle this web?"
Ian Heinisch
Well, they just were like, "What do you do?" And I'm like, "Dude, I have girlfriends all over. I love Tenneref. I travel down here." And they're like,
And I was like, "I have a girlfriend here. Call my girl. She comes in. It checks out. They let me go. Now, the the guy I was with didn't go. He should have jumped in a taxi cuz I had been called in the office before and it was fine. They just questioned me a little bit.
And uh he waited for us down by the car. Once we met up, boom, drug task force jumped on us. They took us to the hospital and uh they didn't have an X-ray at that airport. So they took us to the hospital
And they x-rayed us and uh and yeah they could see it and uh got lost. Wait a minute. They they when they come in and say like we know you have drugs in your body
Ken Rideout
Or do they initially
Ian Heinisch
The girl said to Dr. intestino chaos heroina coina and I was like no and she's like shows me the it's seuro. She says for sure and I was like nah. And she's like and then I was like I ate some Chinese food. And they were like shut up. Boom. Handcuffed.
And where do they put you? in a holding cell with a little like puke bucket.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
And they gave us u what is it called where it makes you go to the bathroom. [clears throat]
Ken Rideout
Oh. Um laxative.
Ian Heinisch
Laxative, bro. It was like pissing out my ass for 3 days.
Ken Rideout
They make you take the laxative.
Ian Heinisch
They make you take and they won't give you food. I'm like, "Just give me food." And they're like, "No, that can break it." Or something. I'm like, "Dude, I didn't want to be like, we've done this so many times. Like, just give me food." It was so bad.
And the Colombia messed up. He told him the exact amount we had. I was going to pinch it off. And And
Ken Rideout
Wait, wait. So before you get to that, when you normally get there, how do you get them out? Do you have to pass them or do you throw up?
Ian Heinisch
No, you you just go sit on the bedet. It's like a It's like hitting the jackpot on D. Comes out.
Ken Rideout
Oh. Into the bedet. And then you just like spray it down with water.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. We put bleach and spray it down. Clean it.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
It's got five layers on it.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Okay. So So now they're telling you wait in here and see. So you're just like, "All right, let me just wait and freaking get this over with." So you finally go and they come rushing in like, "We got him."
Ian Heinisch
No, they knew we had it. So now it was just the pro. It took 3 days, bro. Like I was dying. Like I like I needed food. They didn't give us food. And everything was just going through us. Like they needed something hard to push it out. And like the their mindset was, "Oh, you shouldn't do food." And finally I was like, "I'm dying." And I was like, "Nurse, please." And she gave me an IV. And it was just really sad. I wanted to get it over with cuz they locked my girl up
And my girl had her kid her son and I get right when I get to the jail when I finished it I hear her she's like meo my son my son and I'm like who do I need to talk to to get her out she has nothing to do with this she had no idea so I went and made a statement and I was just like she has nothing to do with it you got to get her out immediately I was like if I have to bail her out like whatever I have to do
Ken Rideout
Bail her out you're [ __ ] looking at like how many years
Ian Heinisch
Uh 3 to six.
Ken Rideout
That's what you got or that's what you thought you were going to get?
Ian Heinisch
No, that's what you get. That's in Spain. It's uh 6 to 10 for over a kilo. 3 to six for under.
Ken Rideout
Okay. And you had just
Ian Heinisch
So you could have you could have I was in the wrong business, bro. You could add a ton of Coke and it was 6 to 10.
Ken Rideout
All right. So, but you had just under a kilo to get the 3 to six.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. I think a couple hundred grams went missing, which is pretty common, I heard.
Ken Rideout
Oh, really?
Yeah. [sighs] Huh. For them to just keep it.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Oh, okay. All right. So, go ahead. So, what So, so you make the statement like and then
Ian Heinisch
They let her go. They let her go and then I get thrown in prison and I sit there or I wait one year with no court, no no lawyer. They ask me if I want to talk to the US embassy. I said, "No, I'm good. I don't want don't want to notify them." But, which I found out they don't even talk like like there it was just some Spanish girls hanging out with dudes out there. Like it was a joke. Our embassy is a joke.
Like, "Oh, we're America, the most powerful country in the world. I thought they were going to do something." Finally, they found out. They sent me a letter. We know you're locked up. We want to come talk to you. And I'm like, "All right, whatever." But I didn't know if it was going to be so connected.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
Like, and you'll find out later in the story, even when I got sent back to America, when I went to court for the ecstasy, the judge didn't lock me back up because I he thought I was he thought I was chilling for 5 years. He didn't know I was locked up. All right.
There's no communication. Okay. Is what I'm trying to say.
Ken Rideout
So, at what point do you go to court and how much time did you actually in in Spain and you're doing the whole time in Tenneref?
Ian Heinisch
Uh, no. So, it's kind of a weird thing like if if they have a weird they can hold you four years and then on that last day they have to take you to court and then you're just out. So, like they can do tricky stuff in the courts in
Ken Rideout
Tenere. They can hold you for four years without charging you and then just be like, "Get out of here."
Ian Heinisch
Yep.
Ken Rideout
Holy [ __ ]
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. They can do some crazy stuff. So they throw me in, bro. It's like It's pretty wild. Like,
Ken Rideout
And what's the prison like?
Ian Heinisch
It's just like Africans, um, a couple English, some Russians. It's just like a melting pot.
Ken Rideout
And what's the facility look like? Is it like an old school jail with bars and cells, or is it an open dormatory setting?
Ian Heinisch
It's like a old school jail with pods with no roof on it.
No roof. like it's outdoor and then you have like one like you you could pull it up like you can put some B-roll on this of it. Just look up Tenneref Dose.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Um it's hard to explain but it's it's just like a old school jail like
Ken Rideout
But it has a it has cover over in the day. It's not just the sun beating down on you but it rains into the cell.
Ian Heinisch
Uh it can if it's sideways rain. No, like your cell is covered but the yard
Oh, the yard. like that. But like, dude, I mean, it was
The rough parts. I'll tell you the rough parts and I'll tell you the good parts.
The rough parts were
It's in the summer it was like 110°. I mean, we're literally off the coast of Morocco. We're in Africa.
The water would be boiling hot where it would burn your skin off. So, you'd have to put it in a bucket, let it cool down, and you'd have to shower like that. In the winters, it would be cold and you would have freezing cold water, and you would just have to like go through that. Bugs were everywhere. Like in the summers you'd be so hot, just sweating, shirt off, and there would be ants just crawling all over you. Um, the food was really bad. Like it was
Ken Rideout
And how much time did you get?
Ian Heinisch
Uh, I got three and a half years.
Ken Rideout
Oh, that's not bad. On a 3 to six,
Right? So you got three and a half years of this.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
[ __ ] if it's hot here for a week, I'm pissed.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. So it's So um, you know, like the there was a lot of fighting. Um, but it was I don't know. It wasn't like gang land like we have.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. I was going to say compared to a US prison, is it like real like just a straight up fist fight or are people like knifing knifing each other?
Ian Heinisch
No, there's knives and it has more potential because there's like broomsticks. I mean, there's like a lot of things you can make weapons out of. They let you go to woodwork. They let you lift weights. There's a gym there. They let us do kickboxing classes. They had a wrestling program there. Those are the positive things. They let me start an MMA program.
Ken Rideout
Okay, hold it. Back to just tell me the bad parts again. Like I
Ian Heinisch
Okay. Okay. So, like the more things that I was worried about there would there was Okay, so they threw us in the pod for 2 months and then they said, "Okay, it's time for us to get tuberculosis tested and then what they do is they put a little shot in you and it lumps up and it goes away. But if it doesn't go away, it blows up if you have tuberculosis." And we're seeing all these Africans, their arms are blowing up. So, we're in the cells with people with tuberculosis for months.
And then they start taking them out. And then there's a guy who has no eyebrows, no hair. He has HIV. He's getting ready to die. And he's a junkie. And he basically is threatening people. He's going to stab him with one of his needles if they don't like if they piss him off or you know. So, I had to keep one eye on him.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
You know, that's the last thing you would want.
Ken Rideout
And are you getting along with people? Is anyone trying you? Did you have to lump anyone?
Ian Heinisch
I mean, yeah. I had to lump some people in the beginning, but um eventually, bro, I just kept my head down cuz I I wanted if you if you if you fight all the time and you get in trouble, you don't get the privileges. If you keep your head down, then you get to train weights, then you get to go to the kickboxing class, then you get to rest.
Ken Rideout
When you say you had to lump a few people up, like what would give me an example of what would happen?
Ian Heinisch
Like there would be a guy in the kitchen and uh he I would he would give me like a little piece of chicken like like the littlest piece and I'd be like, "Dude, give me a different one." And he'd be like, "No." And then I'd wait for him to get off and I would sock him up.
Ken Rideout
Good. And what would he do the next time? Would he give you the bigger chicken?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Why would he not give it to you just to try and piss you off? Like what would
Ian Heinisch
They would they would try to skimp the so they could keep it for themselves and they would sell it like black market or they would or they would just get to eat good. So you beat the brakes off him and then the next time you threw he's like, "Oh, hey, however much chicken you want."
Yeah. We was started slapping people. It was like crazy. You would think if you would slap someone like
They come back and get you with but they like I I met this crazy Chicago guy who was there who would he would start riots there and stuff like he was nuts. He was feared there. So right when I got there I linked up with him and he
Ken Rideout
What was he in for?
Ian Heinisch
Very violent crimes. I don't want to put it I don't want to really say but very violent stuff. How much time was he doing?
He did eight years in there.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
And he and he did uh 14 years in Chicago.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
So he was like a lifer. So he had it down, bro. He's collecting drug debts. Right when I got in there, he walked in there, beat some dude up, took his TV. Um like he was like, "Come with me." And so like I I had him right away. And he like he was like a legend there. So we moved into the same cell. He ripped the sink up. He had freaking protein things that were full of wine. And he had like a full winery under his sink.
Yeah, bro.
Ken Rideout
And the guards were scared of him.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Cuz he would say he would go up to them and stuff. He'd be like, "You're going to do this or I promise you this jail is going to be on CNN."
Ken Rideout
All right. So,
Ian Heinisch
And so like I mean,
Yeah. So, it was it was wild though, bro. Like, we got in a fight with this guy. This dude was literally I was just talking the other day. This dude was 67 420 lbs. Now, he was not all muscle, but this was the biggest man I've ever seen in my life from Venezuela. But there was a path where we were just collecting drug debts, playing poker for tuna, and like flipping out, beating people up and like and then finally I was like, "Bro, like I I got to take a different path." I I saw there was a wrestling program and I walked up to the guy and it usually takes 3 months a petition to get in there.
I showed him my ears, Cauliflower. He goes, "You're in first day." And bro, I just fell back in love with wrestling. I told Blair, I was like, "Come on, bro. Let's let's wrestle." And so he wrestled in high school, so he joined and we just started crushing it. They brought in a professional team. And me and me and him beat this professional team. It's team wrestling in this like ghee in a sand pit, gladiator pit, best out of three takedowns. And what you do, it's like a team wrestling sport.
Like you start with the littlest guys and then he loses. It's best out of three takedowns. He's eliminated. the next guy comes in and whoever has the last guy standing on the team wins.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
And uh fell in love with wrestling again, man.
Ken Rideout
And it's so it's so it's like wrestling in geese. So is it like [ __ ]
Ian Heinisch
It's like a sagal style wrestling.
Ken Rideout
Oh, okay. I know what you're talking about. Okay.
Ian Heinisch
I have a picture of it. It's just takedowns. It's uh
Ken Rideout
Okay. So you guys start dominating now. You have some purpose. So you're like training. Are you lifting weights and running?
Ian Heinisch
Lifting weights, running.
So you're just training full time, right? It was just like finally, bro, like and like I started going to church. It was like God started like calling me out of this lifestyle. It was like started to like see clearly and it was like all right, I see this life and I see this life. It was the same thing I was telling you before what I tell kids that are going down that bad path and I'm like, dude, I'm sick of that path. I don't like these people.
I don't fit in with these people. I want to go a different path now.
And uh that's when I started uh training mind, body, and spirit every single day. And that was my goal. And and I love the Lucha Canary and and I told him the president of the Federation of Lucha Canary wrote the ward in a letter. We want to sign this American when he gets out, so keep him here. Piss them off like none other. The next week this girl comes in, throws a bag in my face. Pack your stuff. You're going. And I'm like, "What?" And she's like, "Yeah, you're gone." And she was just mad, bro.
Cuz I made it in the newspaper. And if you don't know, Spaniards are like super racist. They do not want an American coming in like being good at their sport. It's their sport. Lucha Canary. It's Canary Islands. And I was coming in and and me and and Blair, we were dominating.
And they didn't like that at all.
Ken Rideout
So they send you where?
Ian Heinisch
So she put me call on air, bro. We get in uh I pack my stuff. You get one bag. They take your shoelaces off. We roll up to the airport. They don't have like an airplane that's specifically for
Ken Rideout
And your buddy's going with you.
Ian Heinisch
Uh he went already a couple weeks before.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
They put you in this airplane. You roll up, bro. These guys all have ski masks on. It's like the most gangster. It's like they're like it's like their FBI or their like Navy Seal style like run their fingers through your mouth. Like the hardest course search. You're shackled like this. You walk on the plane, bro. Everyone has to keep their head down on the plane. You look up. They whack you in the back of the head and they're standing up through the whole
Ken Rideout
Uh like the like the um prison down in South America. Which one is it? Is it Argentina or Venezuela? Where do they have the um hardcore like MS-13 gangs in the prison or caught?
Ian Heinisch
Oh, um El Salvador.
El Salvador. Yeah, [clears throat] something.
Ken Rideout
Is it like that?
Ian Heinisch
It's something like that. Yeah. So,
We get there and
Ken Rideout
Where do they take you?
Ian Heinisch
They take me to I don't even know the place, but I'm
Where in Spain? Well, they're taking me to Leon. It's called Leon. It's in the north of Spain, but it took a month to get there. This holding cell, we chilled here for a while. Thrown in with Russians, thrown in with terrorists, you know. This plane was full of like rapist, drug cartel, serial murders, terrorists. Like, it was just like it was like the it was like the high maximum security. And uh so finally we get to Leyon, Spain. They have a boxing program. There was like this OG boxer.
So, um I got in a fight the first week. Uh you know, I some dude I forget what he did, bro. He took something of mine. So, I blasted him. Put isolation for two weeks. And uh man, I'm freaking out, bro. Like, I'm just counting every crack in my room. I'm boxing with my bed. I'm trying to do yoga. I'm trying to do And finally, bro, I just broke down. I was like, "God, if you're real, like I need you right now." And they had a Bible in Spanish, and it was just in Spanish.
And I didn't speak good Spanish. I was taking classes, but I opened it, bro, and I read it like it was my first language, bro. And the Holy Spirit just came on me, and it was like a piece, bro. And I had a huge encounter with God at that moment, but still, it wasn't enough to get me to fully be on track. I started boxing full-time. You know, they would have like sparring matches and and uh and finally, bro, I did my year and a half.
I signed this paper that I wouldn't come back to Spain or Europe, which I didn't know at the time, for 5 years. So they cut my sentence by a fourth.
Ken Rideout
Oh, okay.
Ian Heinisch
And uh they put me on an airplane and they shipped me to New York.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
So you get off the plane in New York when you go through customs. Are they like, "Oh, we've been looking for you."
Ian Heinisch
So they take me in handcuffs to the airplane, put me in a holding cell at the airport, which I didn't even know they had. Took the handcuffs off, let me go on the plane, handed my passport to the flight attendant. I'm free for the first time in 2 and 1/2 years. Bro, I'm freaking out like talking to people, talking to girls, acting all crazy. And uh finally, we land on the plane and uh the the lady gives me my passport and in my head I'm playing out all these scenarios.
I'm like, should I run? No. 9/11. I'm like, I'll get cooked trying to run through JFK. Finally, I'm just like, let's just see what happens. Scan my passport. Mr. Heinisch, how long you been out the country? I'm like, a while. What's a while? 5 years. She said, yeah, come with me. Boom. They locked me up in their thing. Felony uh drug trafficking charges popped up and then uh they held me. It took them a while to figure out. Then they put me in Jamaica Queen's jail house for the weekend.
That was disgusting.
Ken Rideout
Why? What? What?
Ian Heinisch
Pimps, crackheads, heroin addicts puking. And I'm just sitting there. I got luckily I had this leather jacket, bro. It's ice cold. It was like the biggest freeze in New York, bro. Middle of the winter, February.
And I'm just like, dude, I'm yelling at the guard. What? What's up, bro? like, "Am I going to go?" And he's like, "You're a different situation. Shut up." Then finally, I see the judge. She says, "You're going to Riker's Island."
Ken Rideout
Oh, no.
Ian Heinisch
The the lawyer sits down. She goes, "Hey, you need to go to protect custody." She goes, "You know, this is not
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
And I was like, I just did two and a half years." I was like, "Throw me with the wolves. I'll lead the pack." That was my mindset. I had no idea what I had no idea what Rikers was.
I was like, "I'm not going to Punk City."
Yeah. And uh so they start driving me to Riker and it's like dude this is really an island bro it's like a long
It was like big walls p r p r p r p r p r p r p r p r p r p r prison and then you get there and it's just a zoo alarms going off people screaming dangerous
Like you would just hear someone get dragged down the hallway you'd stand you'd have to put your nose against the wall while they get dragged past you. And I'm looking at the guard I'm like dude what is this? And he's like you must be one bad white boy. I'm like why is that? And he's like, "We don't see many of you around here." And I'm just like, "Damn." And and uh I went to maximum security cuz I was a fugitive on the run.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
And they throw me in there, dude. I get rushed right away. I get snicker bar under my pillow. All this stuff. I'm like, "Bro, get out of here. I don't want nothing. I don't want none of this. I don't want to be a part of this. I'm just passing through." And uh yeah, it was probably the toughest three weeks of my life. Um got into an altercation one of the gangs. I don't want to say which one, but luckily I spoke Spanish. Thank god I spoke Spanish because I was
Ken Rideout
The gang you got into altercation with was black or Hispanic.
Ian Heinisch
Uh I was cool with the Hispanic.
Ken Rideout
Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. So luckily
Ken Rideout
Because you spoke enough Spanish.
I spoke enough Spanish.
Ian Heinisch
I was like, "Bro, I I can get you guys kilos.
Ken Rideout
I know how to get it span." I was just tell it like Latin Kings MS-13 were the two big ones, right? For Spanish.
Yeah. Okay. All right. So go ahead.
Ian Heinisch
So they were doing this thing where they would say, "Hi, you got to go to court." I would go to court, you know, pull down your pants, squat and cough, get in the van, drive to the courthouse, sit in a holding cell, nasty peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Eight hours, no court, no lawyer, back to the jail. Three days in a row of this, bro. Finally, I was like, "No, I'm not going." They came in with the taser, like, "You're going to go." So, I went I came back and I was just pissed off, bro.
And one of the gangs was like, "Yo, uh, we want to use your phone." I said, "Nobody's using my phone today. Leave me alone." And he goes, "What?" He goes, "All right, meet me in the back." And he saw me shadow box him before. And he was like, "Uh, you think you fight?" And I was, and he's like, "We fight for real on the street." And I'm like, "Yeah, whatever, bro. It's all good. It's all good." And, uh, he invited me in the back and pulls a shank on me, bro.
And like gets all up in my face, bro. And I And I learned some tricks, especially from my boy. Yeah.
And I'm like, "Dude, I don't want no problems, man." Totally like acted like a [ __ ] He dropped his guard, bro. And I just blasted him. Boom. and he just falls down and uh all his boys come running up and I see him coming and I'm like, "Dude, I'm I'm screwed, bro." I rip my shirt off. I wrap it around my hand to grab knives
And uh I thought he was going to just fight me, bro. I'm like, "Dude, why is everyone having a nasty shank in here?" And
Ken Rideout
And uh they come running up
Ian Heinisch
And these three Latin dudes stand in front and they break it up, bro.
And uh they just like stop it. Finally, the guards come over. Everyone gets locked down and uh one of the guys comes over. He goes, "Hey man, we like you, but you ain't one of us, bro. Go to protect custody. These guys got a SOS on you." And I'm like, "What's that?" And they're like, "Stab on site." And he goes, "You got to go to protect custody." I call the guard over. The guard goes, "F you, white boy."
The guards come in. What up? What up? What up?
Ken Rideout
That's a black guard.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Okay. They're part of the gang.
Ian Heinisch
They're part of the gangs, bro. Like, it's it's crazy.
Ken Rideout
Is this a crazy place?
Ian Heinisch
The craziest, bro. I'd see an opposite gang come in and get stomped out and the dude's read the guard's reading the newspaper and like it's just like he's bleeding there and he gets soccer kicked in the face when he's out and I'm just like dude like it's a bad place bro like if you ever seen the Khif broer documentary that place needs to get shut down. Have you seen that?
Ken Rideout
I haven't seen Jay-Z.
Oh yeah yeah yeah I know what you're talking about.
That one's bad. Rikers is probably one of the worst prisons in the world, [snorts] I think, because like what you said, you could be as tough as you like, but when they tell you you're going to protective custody, most prisons, you're like, "No, I'm not going to protective custody." There you're like, "If you're white, you ain't staying here." Cuz like like the Latin like the Latin kid told you, like they're going to get you and you're not Latin, so we're not helping you.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
And there ain't enough white guys there to stick together.
Ian Heinisch
No, there was none.
Ken Rideout
Right.
Ian Heinisch
Um so
Ken Rideout
Okay. So he tells you, "Get [ __ ] you're not going to protective custody. Then what happens?
Ian Heinisch
And and so I'm like, I'm I'm It's going down tomorrow. Like I just knew it was going down. So I stayed up all night praying. I was taking suboxin with one of the boys in there. And you had your
Ken Rideout
Suboxin.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
Were you Were you That stuff will like jam you up bad if you're not a drug user. Did it get you crazy high?
Ian Heinisch
It got It gets you high.
Ken Rideout
I know, but it's like not a I don't think it's a good high. I hated that,
Ian Heinisch
Bro. I mean I I mean I'm I'm I'm thinking I'm going to get stabbed in the morning. So I'm just like trying to numb
I'm just numbing out, bro. I'm literally tearing up my cell trying to figure out how these guys make knives.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
Like trying to make something
And I'm like I'm like going to stuff. I'm like tripping out, bro. I'm like almost like hallucini. I'm staying up all night like pushed all the I ripped all the sheets off and I was like I'm going to make armor and I was like I'm going to funnel them through here. And like I was just like getting ready to go down cuz I've seen it happen, bro. I've seen them open up guys certain cells and just let them go in there. So like I knew this was going to go down in the morning.
And bro, I was just up praying to God. Like I was like, "God, save me from the situation." Like I was hoping for a guard change so I could ask the new guard. So I was like watching that the whole night. Like I didn't sleep. And it was like 5:00 a.m. Doors open at like 6:30 and my doors open and I jump up. Bro, my cell I probably looked like a crazy dude. Bro,
Ken Rideout
You have a cellmate a cell mate?
Ian Heinisch
No, you don't have cellmates in maximum security.
Okay. and I jumped up, but I had I had my boy fingers, they call him fingers, he was missing a couple fingers and I had his his cell over there. So, we were like talking and throwing notes and he was throwing me some suboxin.
Yeah. And uh so these two big football player dudes come in and I probably look like a my whole cell was turned upside down. Like I was like ready and uh they're like look at me weird and they're likeish. And I'm like yeah who are you guys? And they're like us Marshall. And I was like thank you God. And they walked me out of there, bro. Walked me past all those guys. And those guys like wherever you go we going to get you. They thought I was just moving to protect custody.
And I was like in my head I was like
Ken Rideout
You ain't coming to Colorado. And you yelling back at them?
Ian Heinisch
What? No, I didn't say nothing. They asked if I wanted to go get my passport or if I had any items at the the thing, but I knew there was like uh you know what [snorts] are those people called? The they're prisoners, but they help work. And I was just like,
Ken Rideout
"Oh, orderly."
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. I was like, "No." I was like, "I don't have nothing. Let's go. I just want to out of there, bro." Like, dude, I never want to look at that place again.
Ken Rideout
All right. So then
Ian Heinisch
And then we go in US Marshall and then and then it's probably the hardest 11 days of my life after that.
We get thrown in the back of a van.
You're shackled like this.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
They drive us to Pennsylvania to Vermont back to New York. 48 hours we're back in New York. And they're only required to drop you off to sleep every 72 hours. So 3 days. And they're only required to let you go pee every 6 hours and they have to go to a jail and the heater was broken. So in the nights we're shivering, bro, cuz all they had was like a t-shirt. They didn't give me my jacket cuz I didn't want to go pick it up.
And bro, I'm just like shivering at night, bro. Like I I couldn't sleep. It was just It was just literally just huddled up with these dudes. And we would be like, "Bro, the heater's not working. You could see your breath. It's February in the East Coast.
Shut up or we're not going to feed you." And they just fed us fast food, Burger King, McDonald's. Like that was it. And I was like, "Dude, I have to pee so bad, bro." And they bounced a Gatorade bottle off my head and they said, "Figure it out." And I had to like hit my knees and like piss all over myself while I'm shackled up. And uh I was just the unlucky one. Every 72 hours they drop us off. 1 hour after they drop us off, highness, you're on the next one.
So I did this for 11 days, bro. I'm like hallucinating cuz I've been up so long eating fast food. Finally, bro, make it to Jefferson County, bro. Finally.
Ken Rideout
Where is that?
Ian Heinisch
Uh in Colorado.
Ken Rideout
Wait a minute. You took the bus all the way from New York to
Ian Heinisch
And they went like this.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Okay.
Ian Heinisch
Cuz every time they're dropping
Ken Rideout
They give you like diesel therapy.
Ian Heinisch
They they uh what they're doing is they when they cross borders and drop people off, they get paid more.
Ken Rideout
Got it.
Ian Heinisch
So it was not a straight line. It took 11 days. And uh it was it was treated like an animal. Like I felt like like an animal. It was it was nuts. And
Ken Rideout
So you get where? Jefferson County.
Ian Heinisch
Jefferson County 2014. Stay there for like 2 days. My mom post bail. I was free for the first time. Bro,
Ken Rideout
They let you out of jail even though you've been on the run for 5 years.
Ian Heinisch
They didn't know I was on the run. Well, I shouldn't say not on the They didn't know what happened. But yeah, they let you They let me out.
Ken Rideout
Okay. So, where do you go from there? I go straight to an MMA gym.
Oh, okay. So, you're still like trying to be a UFC fighter.
Ian Heinisch
So, to to them it looked like I just went and just got a job somewhere and just stayed low key. You know what I'm saying? They didn't know I fled the country and then got locked up. Like the there's just not a lot of communication, which I thought there would be. I thought they would have it all locked in.
Ken Rideout
So, you train MMA thinking I'm going to go to the UFC.
Ian Heinisch
So, I get out. I'm like, "Okay, there's a few things I know. I need to find a church. I need to stop drinking. I cannot drink. Drinking is like the root of all evil.
Ken Rideout
You haven't been drinking for 5 years.
Ian Heinisch
Well, I was drinking prison hooch and stuff, but I just knew that every time I got kicked out of Canada, I just got deported from a country and a continent.
And I'm I'm 25 years old. So, I was like, the thing that always got me in trouble was drinking,
Ken Rideout
Okay?
Ian Heinisch
And drugs, obviously, but drinking always led to the drugs. So,
I go I show up to this MMA gym. It's just crazy how everything worked out. I called a buddy. He's like, "Yeah, my buddy's training MMA. I used to wrestle with him and I didn't have a license at the time. He's like, "He drives by your dad's apartment. Can pick you up and drop you off?" Cool. Thanks. So, I start roofing with my dad. I start MMA. I go 4 and0 as an amateur. Three submissions, one knockout. Then my coach says, "You're turning pro." And literally my boy helped pay for all my uh tickets and got my license back.
The day the guy quit that I was going with, the day I got my license.
Ken Rideout
Oh, wow.
Ian Heinisch
So, it was like it was like a God thing, bro. And then uh I went 8 and0 as a professional and uh I finally made it to the fight. They said, "You win this, you win the LFA belt, you're going to the UFC. If you lose, you're in the back of the line." Well, about a year and a half before that, I tore my LCL before a fight. Went to the doctor. They prescribed me 40 percoet.
Ken Rideout
Oh no.
Ian Heinisch
Instantly hooked. I probably broke three times drinking. And I went to church one time with this girl and they were just talking about money and and I was like, I don't need church. And I became a full slave to Oxie, bro. Like I was sniffing it. I was smoking it. I was going to Mexico after fights, buying massive amounts and bringing it back. It was this vicious cycle. I would quit 3 weeks before a fight, get deathly ill for a week from the withdrawals. I'd feel better, make weight, fight, win, and then I would celebrate with more pills.
Ken Rideout
Dude, I know the cycle all too well.
Ian Heinisch
So, um, it was like I went into this fight that I was supposed to win and dude, it's just like when you're not living right outside the octagon, it shows, right? M and I couldn't stop taking pills this time. So, I was taking it up to the fight and uh
And I was having weird skin issues. I was having weird like just weird stuff was happening. I was constipated. I had blood in my stool. Like it was just it was just like a really dark place, bro. Lost that fight. Got submitted. First loss. Took it so hard. Luckily, a year before that, I met Nate Markort and he started inviting me to the great Nate the Great. Yeah. and he started inviting me to Bible study, started to go to church a little bit, and uh it started to like work in me, but I still like I would feel so good after that, but then I would like I was a slave, bro.
Like I would call the dealer and then be like, "No." And then I'll be like, "Oh, I already talked to him. I got to go." It was like it was like a like
It was like I was like controlled. Like I had to get it, you know?
It was nuts. And so I lost this fight. I went on this camping trip with my buddy, bro. I just wanted to feel pain. and I chopped wood to my hands. We hiked this summit. When we summited the peak, it hit like 60 mph winds and I kept walking to this cabin. My boy almost got like hypothermia. I just wanted to feel pain. Finally, we got back and he's like, "Dude, let's just open this Bible study." And I was like, "I don't want to, bro." And finally, we opened it, man.
And it was just like, it basically said, "You're not saved. You're It challenged our salvation." At first, I felt offended. And then it hit me, man. Like, I'm living a hypocrite, bro. I say I'm saved, but I have no power. There's no evidence of God in my life cuz I'm a slave to these drugs. And at that moment, bro, I surrendered. And like it was like it was like the voices in my head said, "Kill yourself cuz you're born to be a drug addict and this is all you're ever going to be and you're already dying a slow death.
So just kill yourself. Just take a bunch of drugs." And at that moment, I said, "God, you take my life." And it was like at peace that came over me that I felt in that prison cell that one night. And the next week was a baptism call. I went to church and the water looked clear to me. And I walked in, I came back out, I thought I was going to do this big cheer. I looked back, the water looked black. And I felt God was like, "That's your addiction dead and your sin." And bro, I have never felt so like free and peaceful and like not controlled by anything.
And uh at that moment, I was broke living in my buddy's basement, not in the UFC, had nothing going for me. One year after that, just one year, I went on a four W win streak, three knockouts, one submission, broke into the UFC, broke into the top 10, met my wife, married my wife, bought a house, and I was a taxpaying citizen for the first time in my life.
Ken Rideout
And so you you went on a fouright win streak in the UFC.
Ian Heinisch
I submitted a guy in LFA after that. Then they gave me the title shot. I knocked the guy out. Then they let me go on Contender Series. I knocked the guy out. And then I got my UFC debut. So actually and I won that. It was a war decision. So um four four fight it was actually a fiveight win streak after that but this was like in one year I had fought five times.
Ken Rideout
So now you're a full-fledged in the UFC in the top 10.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
And what happens?
Ian Heinisch
Well not in the top 10 yet or let's see [clears throat] it was about a year after that. Year and a half after that. So I claim the I climbed the rankings quick right after right after I won the Alfa Bell. I was like, "Let me get in the UFC." You said if I won the L. Oh, now we have this new show, Contender Series. All right, cool. I went on there, elbowed the guy, knocked him out. All right, let me get my fight. I want to fight in the UFC.
I wanted to make real good. I wanted to make UFC money.
And then everyone turned me down for the Colorado fight. And I just kept bugging the UFC like, "Yo, I want to fight. I want to fight."
Ken Rideout
All the other fighters, you mean, didn't want to take the fight.
Ian Heinisch
They didn't want to fight in elevation.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Oh, okay.
Ian Heinisch
And then this guy dropped out in Argentina. I got the call on Thursday. I left on Friday. I was in Argentina on Saturday, fought the next Saturday. Um, really tough guy, Cesar Ferrer. Broke his arm, beat him, close decision. And and then I went to fight Tom Breeze in London. He pulled out of the fight on the day of. Then they uh I got a short notice fight to fight Antonio Carlos Jr. was ranked like number 11 in the world, world champ, jiu-jitsu guy. Uh crazy fight with him.
We got bumped to the co-main event Rochester. fought him on 3 weeks notice and now I'm top 10 and then uh
Ken Rideout
I mean so did you beat him?
Ian Heinisch
Yeah,
Ken Rideout
But he's a jiu-jitsu black belt. Were you thinking like, "All right, we're definitely going to the ground. Let me And how was your jiu-jitsu? It must have been good."
Ian Heinisch
I was like the anti- wrest or the anti-ju wrestling. That was like I beat all the Brazilians with that cuz I would just survive until like they I was I was a master scrambler. So I would just scramble scramble. Something about wrestlers too that
Ken Rideout
I remember telling my youngest son this. I was like listen when you're in with a wrestler or when you're watching a wrestler like they're not tapping from a choke. Watch. Unless you have them in like the most severe rare naked choke. They're not going to tap from a guillotine. They're not going to tap from a dar. They're just they're different breed. Wrestlers you can't like very rarely can you choke them.
Ian Heinisch
Well, in the beginning, you can choke them easy cuz wrestling like this, but on a wrestler who's black belt jiu-jitsu,
Yes,
Is nasty.
That's what I mean. Yes.
Ken Rideout
I would always tell Dustin Porier that cuz, you know, he was famous for like jumping guillotines. And what I would always say is, and it makes sense, right? If you and I are in the gym and we're training and I'm real good at guillotines and I jump one on you and you know it, and you're like, "Well, it's training. I'm not going to get [ __ ] passed out. I'm not going to go black out in the gym. let's just tap reset. You know, that's what happens.
But when you're in the cage and someone's like, if I tap, I'm going to lose this fight. I'd rather die. And they'll never tap. So, unless you and obviously you're so committed to that and it's like the point of no return. I'm squeezing with everything. And if I don't get this guy out, like I'm in a trouble for the next few minutes. And that's why I think that those chokes in particular, unless it's like locked in and you know when it's locked in so tight, you're better off just being like, "Okay, this guy like Khabib is never tapping from a choke."
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. You have to put guys to sleep in the UFC or And you have to time it right. Like Borier would jump a guillotine in the beginning of a round.
It's okay if there's 30 seconds left and you jump a guillotine. You know what I'm saying? But like you have to strategically like I broke I I threw up an arm bar on Cesar Ferrer who's another black belt world champ Brazilian
And I've bellyied down and I went ah and it went pop and I let go. bell rang and he still jumped on me and I was like, "Dude, I just snapped your arm and he came out and fought two more rounds." And that's what and I should have I should have twisted that thing and rip cartilage. But like these guys, you have to break bones where they can't like till it falls down limp or you have to put someone to sleep.
Ken Rideout
Especially like you said, if someone's a nasty wrestler and has jiu-jitsu skills and experience in the cage, very hard to submit.
Ian Heinisch
Very hard to submit, bro. And it's just they have such good positioning. So like my my scrambles, you see I'm jumping Gramby rolls, standing Gramby rolls just on him over and over and and he was beating me. He he I mean I was just defending subs the whole first round. He took me down and then there was a moment when he started to gas a little bit and I was scrambling. So I reversed him and just ground and pounded him so and then pieced him up the third round and and uh took the fight over.
It was it was a fun fight cuz it was like the momentum changed halfway through the fight.
Ken Rideout
So now you're in the top 10. What happens from there?
Ian Heinisch
So then um I fight Derek Brunson. I lost a close decision. I start to have these health issues, man, cuz I think it was obviously swollen kilos and the and the painkillers and I'm getting these like feliculitis things on me and then they turn in the staff. I go to the doctor and it was giving me antibiotics and I did like five rounds of like hardcore antibiotics in a year and it was just all of a sudden my cardio was trash. I had blood in my stool.
I went to the doctor. um got a colonoscopy. They said it was ulcerated colitis. This is when I met my wife and married her. It was like our third date. I was like, "Hey," she worked at a functional medicine clinic. She now owns her own practice, Hive Health. She's like, "Let's get your labs done." Cuz I kind of told her what was going on. I was anemic and iron cuz I was losing so much blood. I Hashimoto thyroid, ulcerated colitis. Like they basically were like, "You have to change everything in your life." Yeah.
And I went through all these steps and I lost my next fight.
Ken Rideout
Didn't who?
Ian Heinisch
Um, Ammo or No, not Amov. Uh, Omari Akmed, a Russian.
And I left that gym. I went to Thailand. I wanted to train out there. Like it was a fresh start for me, trying to just like figure out what's going on. Um, COVID hit. Came back to Colorado. Started training with my new coach, Coach Jake. Went out, knocked out um, Mirart, Gerald Meshart. And then I fought Kelvin Gastelum after that and lost a super close decision to wrestling. Took his back at the end. Couldn't finish a choke. And uh and then I moved down to Florida and this was like crazy time.
I was just jumping from Vegas to Florida. And then I came down to Florida, man. And it just I didn't feel the same. I had this weird like cardio issue and uh I got dropped to the headkick after I fought Almov. No issues there. Even Amav split me. I think he's he's going to be fighting for the belt soon. Split me with like eight stitches, you know, no excuses. It was just the worst I've ever felt. Like I felt like I I didn't belong in the octagon.
Like my muscles would not work. And he split me with a a jump knee and uh it was my first TKO loss. It wasn't like I got knocked out, but I was just covering up.
And uh I went back to sparring, got sat down with a headkick, bro. And these symptoms lasted for a year and a half. I mean, terrible. Like confusion, slurred speech, light sensitivity, headache. I felt like I was a different person. Like, it was like, it was like I was looking down at myself. It was such a weird feeling. It was a dark time, bro. And I kept trying. It was this voice of my being a [ __ ] Go to the gym. I would go to the gym.
I would try to drill and not get hit in the head. I get hit in the head. Someone would fall into me. Something stupid. Booked a fight with Sam Alvie. So sick of explaining myself over and over to people. and I booked the fight with Sam Alvie and I was like, "Finally, bro, this is the," no offense to Sam Alvie, but this is the easiest fight I've ever had in the UFC. I was like, "I'm gonna highlight reel, knock this dude out." And I had to pull out of that fight, bro.
And uh that's when I was like I There was a point when I was driving to the gym in Florida and I thought I was in Colorado. Pulled over, had a full panic attack, called my wife, and that was when I was like, "Dude, I don't care about fighting anymore. I just want to feel normal."
And uh I called the UFC and said, "Cut me." And they're like, "What? and you're still like top 15. Like why? Like you have another fight on your contract. And I'm like, dude, I'm I'm messed up bad. I was like, cut me. I want to get on peptides and I don't want to deal with USADA and I don't want to get popped for something stupid and get my name tarnished.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
And they freaked out. They were cool about it, but that's when I found Crypto. [snorts] Only thing I could do, like if we'd have a 15-minute conversation, I have to lay down and take deep breaths for 15 minutes cuz my brain would be so fatigued.
Damn. And so I just started going on the computer and I found this coin that was sponsoring fighters. And I went on this Twitter space and told him my situation. And I was trying to get this stem cell procedure which was like 30 grand in in Tijuana, Mexico.
And I was like, I could afford it, but I'd be strapped and I not I don't have any money coming in. I can't fight. And they sent me Ethereum. And I was like, no way. I called Ed Clay and I was like, bro, do you take Ethereum? He's like, yeah. Boom. Boom. Sent the crypto. I was like, crypto is the future, bro. I was like, I just move money like that. Went down there, did a very experimental, 50 million stem cells in my brain stem. And uh I kept I kept trying to fight.
I was praying to God there would be hope. It was a really hard thing, man. I had to It was like, God, why, man? Like, you said we're going to go to the UFC. I was going to win the belt, proclaim your name to the world, and I'm literally there's nine people in front of me to get to that goal, and now you're redirecting me. And uh but I had to realize that fighting wasn't my identity, you know, and um it was it was tough, bro.
It was bitter. It was I was bitter for a little while. But
Ken Rideout
I mean, a lot of people struggle with that, including like you saw recently with Dustin Porier. It's a hard time transitioning away from like when all you've been is a fighter for your whole life.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. And luckily for him, he got to reach his goals. You know, guys I was beating in the gym, I'm seeing him win fights. So I couldn't even watch it anymore. Like like I just stepped away from the whole thing. and and luckily I found crypto bro and just went all in on that and that's high risk high reward. Met some really like highlevel guys that were mentors B-rootes my partner we started the crypto kings and uh made more money than I ever made in my life.
Um paid off my house, you know, um had some crazy come up, some crazy losses, and uh to this day, you know, it's a blessing though because now I'm still connected to the about every two months I try to jump in the gym and try to wrestle cuz last year I found the missing piece of my stomach issues was detoxing my gut.
Ken Rideout
Mhm.
Ian Heinisch
Because I found out I had overgrowth of candida and I have a I see a lot of guys that suffer with this. I I I went down the rabbit hole cuz I I did this hand scan at this holistic place and said, "Your stomach is full of mold and like I was like, "What?" So, I did this detox, bro. And I was like I just went hard. I was like, "No sugar, just meat and leafy greens. I was doing like oil of oregano, ozone, glutathione, NAD." Like I'm talking like I was throwing the book at it.
Candex. It was like I was getting like hot flashes. I felt like crap. I would feel good. I would feel like crap. And then I did a parasite detox. Then I did a heavy metal. I did the holistic way. Then I went to Thailand. I did a fiveday gut detox. I did colonics. Saw more parasites. Then I did the like medical detox for parasites. And uh
And bro, like now I have to if I eat too much sugar or don't get enough sleep, I have to like maintain that candida. If you have like white on the back of your tongue, it's an overgrowth of yeast. M
The symptoms are feeling drunk kills your cardio, kills your fertility, it just makes you feel foggy.
Ken Rideout
Mhm.
Ian Heinisch
And those were the missing pieces of the symptoms. So I went way down this rabbit hole, man. And praise God, I became president of Bare Knuckle Ice Wars, a new fight promotion. We just were on ESPN last week, 15 million views. They posted on their Instagram,
Ken Rideout
"How'd you get involved with the Bare Knuckle Ice Wars? That's the one where it's like you're in hockey gear and you're just fighting with those light helmets on.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. It's three one minute rounds
Ken Rideout
Like a hockey fight.
Ian Heinisch
Hockey fights. No pucks, no sticks, just fights. The best part of hockey.
Ken Rideout
Yeah, that's funny.
Ian Heinisch
In a ice box. A 900 foot ice box. So
I uh you know, after fighting, man, like I just it sucks, bro. Like I couldn't I can't even wrestle this day live, bro. Wrestling is my first love. Like
I try every two months.
Ken Rideout
But all the detox stuff you did didn't help with the wrestling and cardio.
Ian Heinisch
It does, bro. But like if I if I wrestle or if I light spar, I get like a headache for 3 days. I get this like that this weird feeling.
Ken Rideout
And the stem cells didn't do anything.
Ian Heinisch
The stem cells helped a lot. Like a ton. Like
Ken Rideout
As long as you don't get hit in the head again.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. So it sucks, bro. Like I I I feel like I feel like if I get give it more time, but like I I just trust me, bro. If I if I felt back, I would go fight again.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. I was going to say at the end of the day, you can't fight forever. So, it's just like, you know, unfortunately, it didn't end on your terms, but at least you've got a second career in um doing your crypto stuff and the being involved with the Ice Wars.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's incredible that I'm still connected to combat sports in a way cuz now I get to see it from the business side. I have a lot more respect for Dana White and Hunter and all those guys cuz
It's tough, bro. That's why they laugh and they're like, "Go ahead, try to start it. Try to try to start try to copy us. Go ahead." cuz it's so hard, bro.
Especially a new sport like ice horse. So, we've been grinding through this road, like paving the trail. And we
Ken Rideout
What's the biggest challenge?
Ian Heinisch
Oh, man. Dealing with people,
Ken Rideout
The fighters or the organizers?
Ian Heinisch
Everything, bro. Dealing with fighters, dealing with vendors, dealing with arenas, dealing with all the people that you need to make a fight happen. And then remembering everything to get done and having the right team in place to make sure it gets done. That's that's probably the hardest thing like until you have those processes and procedures and those relationships. It's a tough it's a tough go and there's so many hidden surprises that you don't think of. But anyways, we got on ESPN O. We didn't know they were going to post us, man.
They posted us and now we're working on some really big deals behind the scenes.
Ken Rideout
You get any former NHL guys reaching out?
Ian Heinisch
Uh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got some former ones like uh Riley Cotay. Um
Ken Rideout
He's good.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Matt Barnaby. Um he's a commentator. He called out Avery. Uh Sean Avery.
Ken Rideout
I want to see that fight.
Ian Heinisch
That's what I'm saying. He offered 50 G's of his own money and Shawn Avery silence.
Ken Rideout
He's an actor now.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
He's actually doing real acting though. He's got I saw he has some recently got some big roles.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
But he is a frigin menace. He's the kind of guy you love to have on your team, but if he's not on your team, you absolutely hate him.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. So, you know hockey.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. Well, I had Chris N on here. If you remember, Knuckles Nyl was like one of the toughest guys in the world when I was growing up. I grew up in Boston. Chris was a legend for the Canadians. He was from Boston, inner city Boston, like hardcore Boston accent. Played [clears throat] at Northeastern. Got a shot.
I had him on here. And then when Nate when he stopped playing hockey,
Heroin. Hardcore heroin. Off the reservation. Now he's sober. Thank God. But again, without hockey, didn't know what his identity and purpose was. Happens to a lot of athletes.
Ian Heinisch
It does. It does. We get We get a lot of uh Native Americans. They're tough, bro. They're so tough. This is going to be like, you know, how boxing had like the Irish and then the the Mexicans and then the blacks because they're they're kind of like the
The minority.
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
I think Native Americans is they're going to take over eyes.
Ken Rideout
Really?
Ian Heinisch
I I just They're tough, bro.
Ken Rideout
Oh, of course.
Ian Heinisch
Like, if you get if you can if you can get them to focus Yes. if you can get them to focus and stay clean, there's some Native Americans that can fight. So, it it's cool to see, bro, cuz it's like it's like UFC1. You're seeing different styles and uh different ethnic groups and different people, the Americans, and it's it's it's been a fun journey, man. It's been very challenging, very fun. So, I've just been uh very successful entrepreneur, man. I've been serving God faithfully. You know, I run a Bible study and and uh you know, I feel free, bro.
I'm at peace. Yeah. And that's and that's the important thing cuz I realized fighting wasn't my identity. That was part of my story and I'm grateful that it happened. And you know if I wish God would be like, "Hey, you're completely healed. Let's go back."
Ken Rideout
Yeah.
Ian Heinisch
And but um unfortunately that hasn't been my story right now. But man, I feel blessed. And um I just feel like man, you can overcome, man. I remember before I was rock bottom in a foreign prison cell. I got I was 25 26 years old. Everyone's like, "You're too far gone. You're too old. You've done too many drugs. It's never going to happen." And I use those ADD tend tendencies. And what I tell people is they're like a superpower cuz I can rep more than you.
I promise if I get addicted to something,
I will do it more than you.
Ken Rideout
Yeah. That's
Ian Heinisch
Because you have that like addictive personality. But those chains have been broken um with the drugs and and um man, I'm just I'm just grateful. The life I have right now is is a blessing. The wife I have, the the the house, everything, man. um compared to what I had, you know, a decade ago.
Ken Rideout
We've had a lot of guys on here that have found their ways through sobriety, through um faith.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah.
Ken Rideout
A lot of former athletes, a lot of uh Super Bowl champions, um and a lot of guys that struggled with identity, struggled with addiction, and there's a very definite common thread of um people who found a strong calling through faith.
Yeah, absolutely, man. God God can heal you. So, how do um how can people get in touch with you if they're interested in learning more about your Bible study and some of the other things you do in your crypto channel? Like, list it all.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Um Ian Heinisch MMA on Instagram on X if you're looking for more crypto stuff. Um you know, we got some fun things doing, man. We started a health and wellness entrepreneur fitness networking community in South Florida. We're running these UFC Navy Seal style workouts. We already have 45 members and uh man, it's so cool to brush shoulders with guys who are pulling 100 million a year and and and and even the smaller entrepreneurs that are just hungry up and coming. I love that mindset. For me, that's my new arena, being an entrepreneur.
But um yeah, if you want to follow, definitely follow BK Icewars um on Instagram, bkiswars um.com if you want to check out our website. And uh yeah, stay tuned for that. September 5th is our next fight.
So, uh, it's in Edmonton, Canada.
Ken Rideout
When's the next US show? Do you have it scheduled yet?
Ian Heinisch
Uh, not yet. I think we're probably gonna stick with Canada this year. And we're gonna we're going to do a big We have We have Verinas hitting us up. The Florida one we did at this the Florida Panthers. Uh, you know, that was huge, bro. That put us on the map.
Yeah. But
Ken Rideout
You see Bare Knuckles uh Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship is having an event at uh Fenway Park in Boston on I think like next week.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. BKFC's crushing it. We work alongside them. We're not we're not with them anymore, but we're alongside them. We we when we first started we were like
Affiliated with them, but now we we've we've made our own brand, but we we help each other. We work alongside Yeah. We collab. Exactly. So, I have a website you guys can check out other podcasts, but man, this has been a great podcast. Probably the most in-depth I've gone. I mean, what how long did we go?
Ken Rideout
Couple hours.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah. Yeah. Usually I I give people, you know, the quick hour, but yeah, it was good, man. You asked really good questions. So, thanks for having me on. And
And man, if you're out there struggling, bro, seek the Lord, seek your purpose, and uh don't let anyone tell you that you can't do it. And uh
It's it's a grind, bro. you know the grind, but but there is light on the other side.
Ken Rideout
That's right, man. Well, I appreciate you coming here to Nashville. It's an honor.
Ian Heinisch
Oh, cool.
Ken Rideout
There's a cool pair with the
I think it's called like the ice frame on there. Check them out. I think that they're uh very appropriate for um Bare Knuckle Ice Wars. Oh, shoot.
With the uh icy frame.
Ian Heinisch
Yeah, right.
Ken Rideout
You look like a gangster with those.
Ian Heinisch
There we go.
Ken Rideout
You know that that'll be the first thing they're taking from you if you go to prison with those.
Ian Heinisch
Let's go.
Ken Rideout
Well, Ian, man, you're the man. Thanks for doing it. Uh, thank you guys for tuning in. Please like and subscribe on all the channels. You know the drill. Love you guys. Thanks for being with us. Boom. All right, guys. I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as I did. Please take a quick minute to subscribe to the podcast wherever you're listening. This is a new show, so subscribing makes a huge difference. Please also take a minute to give it a review and leave a comment on Apple Podcast and on Spotify.
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Key takeaways
- Elite wrestling ability did not prevent addiction and arrests from changing the direction of Ian's life.
- Leaving school and moving abroad did not end the instability he was trying to escape.
- A rapid rise in fighting can happen alongside a private struggle with addiction.
- Faith and sobriety helped Ian build an identity beyond his UFC career.
- Health problems can force a fighter to leave even when competition remains central to his life.
- Training athletes and building a business gave Ian new ways to apply his experience.
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